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The Constitution is just a piece of paper.

Posted on 06/28/2012 9:14:43 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus

What gives life to that document is the consensus of the people who uphold it. It has no special magic. It is fragile. If our society choses to change or disregard it entirely, it means nothing, affords no protection.

The shift away from its governing principles has been slow and continuous but determined. The Kelo v. New London case went a long way towards erasing individual property rights, which are the foundation of our personal freedom. With the decision to uphold the individual mandate of Obamacare, the government has just consumed another large portion of our indiviudal liberty. Where will this end?

Indulge me, but I don't think this is a stretch: The US will become what most societies have been thoughout most of history. When I was young and naive and patriotic, I believed that America would never regress internally to the point that it would, for example, persecute people for their religous beliefs. I no longer believe that. I understand the human psyche better now and the attitudes that Romans 1 was describing. I've seen it around me. It's on the news every day.

We haven't "evolved" from our age-old passions and weaknesses; people haven't changed. Those with a pagan world view always have and will always hate those who live and teach the Judeo-Christian worldview on which Democracy and individual liberty depends.

Paganism has been the predominant worldview of mankind thoughout history and throughout most of the world. The West has been spared from the effects of that vein of thinking for hundreds of years. But paganism, which rejects the value of the individual and the existence of a transcendent personal God with moral laws, is rapidly gaining traction here now. It is the official government view, which is obvious from our laws and court decisions, and it will soon be the societal majority view as well. I can now clearly foresee a day when my offspring will be facing direct social and government persecution and treated as criminals simply because they are Christians. The Constiution cannot save them from that, not when the majority of society feels they are not bound by it or can reinterpret it to fit the "felt necessities of the times." This Supreme Court, a court as conservative as we are likely to see again, has just made the impotence of that piece of paper abundantly clear. And we are about to elect another President who feels the same way.


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To: CodeToad
It’s time to start putting some metal into it!

Really? Against who, and where? It's not like the North vs. the South anymore.

21 posted on 06/28/2012 10:45:55 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (I won't vote for Romney, period. Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.)
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To: servantboy777
So,all those folks throughout history who swore to uphold the constitution were in essence lying? They swore to uphold nothing? Wrong!!! The constitution was a divinely inspired document by the Almighty himself. This nation was founded on the principals held in biblical text, (Mosaic law). Freedom, honor, liberty, patriotism...all that our founding fathers stood for is contained within this document. Here we stand, witnessing a perverted government stray as far from our founding principals as it possibly can. Uncle Sugar, spending us into insolvency, devaluing our standard of living, protecting foreign interest over that of the American citizen. Refusing to abide or even enforce federal law, yet holding citizens to a different standard. Flooding our country with foreigners that have no concept of American freedom, no concept of our founding documents guarantees. No idea what true liberty even feels like. Are we a free people? Have we not been lied to by republicans and democrats alike? Why do we just stand idly by with our mouths open like a turkey observing the rain? Our representatives for years have betrayed the American people...sounds harsh, but this is exactly what has happened. TERM LIMITS, BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT, STATES RIGHTS RESTORED, CLOSE THE DAMN BORDER, SCALE BACK THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT! Let's get off our duffs folks and make a difference, times running out.

It's alreay run out. We're past the tipping point for ballot box initiatives; the majority doesn't comprehend or believe in the items you mentioned. If there was one section of the country who believed in those things, and another that didn't, there might be enough people to foment another civil war. But there isn't. Our society is permeated with those who reject the Judeo-Christian worlview and the elevation of the worth of the individual on which democracy depends. Who would we fight, and what would be the goal-- a bloody purge like the French Revolution? I can't see it and don't want any part of that.

The pagans are in control. We'll eventually become another totalitarian society in which individual life and rights are meaningless, just as it has been for most people in history. Oh, the Church will survive here on earth, if God wills the world to continue. But I think persecution is inevitable, if I know anything about human nature. And at the pace things are regressing, it could happen in my yet-to-be-born grandchildren's lifetime.

22 posted on 06/28/2012 11:03:31 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (I won't vote for Romney, period. Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.)
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To: mikeus_maximus
>>Who would we fight, and what would be the goal— a bloody purge like the French Revolution? I can't see it and don't want any part of that.<<

No one wants bloodshed, but few understand true freedom. It's kinda like a hound dog getting in the chicken pin.

Once they've tasted blood, you can't keep’em outta the chicken pin.

Those who have been free, particularly the sort of freedom we enjoyed 40+ years ago, just can't abide living under tyranny.

Freedom or tyranny?...yea, I'd sacrifice my life to see that my children live free. You bet’cha.

23 posted on 06/28/2012 11:23:25 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: CodeToad

I’m putting gold into it - the maximum legal donation to quite a few political campaigns for US Senate and Congress. As for other heavy metals . . .


24 posted on 06/28/2012 4:43:50 PM PDT by Pollster1 (A boy becomes a man when a man is needed - John Steinbeck)
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