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Interesting summation of choices.
1 posted on 06/23/2012 6:31:32 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker / Murdergate ping.


2 posted on 06/23/2012 6:32:43 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The ‘Constitutional Law ‘ professor in the Oval Office apparently does NOT know how the law works for Executive Priviledge.

He is hanging both himself & Holder, IMO.


3 posted on 06/23/2012 6:38:07 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: marktwain

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”


5 posted on 06/23/2012 6:47:17 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: marktwain

Fast and Furious is Obama’s Watergate — like Watergate but with 300 dead bodies

Should we call it Obamagate?

Who ever made this decision to push this policy killed 300 lives.


13 posted on 06/23/2012 7:02:55 PM PDT by garjog
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To: marktwain

My view? Is that there is a distinct lack of “adult supervision” inside the thinking of this administration.

Think about the “Julia” website as my main example. This was pretty clearly done by a cadre of youngsters who work for 0bama in some capacity and were “turned loose” in order to create the thing. It was flashy, snappy, in terms of execution. But the messaging behind it was unsupervised, it produced an impression that this admin doesn’t really think that individuals can make it on their own, and wants to sell the lifetime government dependency orientation. And this was the impression that even liberals came away with. This is my point, that there was no adult supervision. They were tasked and let loose and came up with a flashy result, and nobody of what we would call maturity sat down with the final version and pondered what the take-away was going to be by just simply chewing on it for 24-48 hours before unleashing it.

And how about the under-30 amnesty deal? Think about it. OK, so on the surface it’s a great thing for the beneficiaries. But forget not that those “kids” are going to have to identify their PARENTS within the application process. The parents don’t have the immunity from deportation. And they are going to have to be declared illegal, or, they will have achieved citizenship sometime AFTER the kid applies...but that is going to be the exception IMHO. After all, if they were citizens, the kid would be citizens, so, the very act of applying for this “amnesty” identifies the parents as illegal! In order to take advantage of the program, the kids are in effect going to have to rat out their parents! They gonna do that?

The 0bama admin comes out with this stuff and my take on it is it’s just not very well thought out. In fact it’s not thought out hardly at all. The slogans are bumper-sticker depth. And frankly, the thinking is, too. It is reflexive and it isn’t well thought out. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that. Consistent picture?

Same with the F&F executive order. They could not have planned this from the beginning, they thought they could stonewall and obfuscate and get away with the type of misdirection that comes from redacting entire documents until some indefinite time in the future; perhaps after the attention has shifted elsewhere. Yeah, you submitted a document in response to a subpena or a request by Issa, but the whole thing is blacked out! They literally fell into a trap of their own making, now immutably cementing 0bama to the cover-up by asserting excutive privelege. They did not count on a no-let-up pursuit from Issa, which is dumb, because he has proven his relentlessness. But even more ironically, they did not adequately ponder the implication of issuing the executive order. It was done in a hurry, and I’ll bet you $5 they did not realize the consequence that because ONLY the prezzy can issue such an order, it thusly must be he who has the stuff to hide.

I believe this is a consistent theme and characteristic within this admin. Very simply, there is no adult supervision, their stuff is ad hoc, it is simply not well thought out. They are so arrogant, yet so amateurish, they think they can get away with misdirection or changing the subject, or war on women or millionaires and billionaires or social justice, or green jobs, or policemen and teachers, anything to change the topic matter. Just pick the next Alinsky tactic on the list and go with it. That well is running dry.


15 posted on 06/23/2012 7:05:17 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a bar. Bartender says "what'll it be, Mitt?")
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To: marktwain

Very good analysis - and I still don’t understand why Obama invoked EP over this. Even if the documents pointed directly to him, with his complicit media he would have been given a free pass and the whole thing would have gone down the memory hole.

And as far as Holder goes, as the author points out, being found in contempt of Congress is meaningless, since there are no penalties. Unless the media cares to whip up anger over it, nothing will happen to the person found in contempt, and the media is certainly not likely to get riled up about Obama’s lackey Holder.

The only thing I can think is that Obama really does see himself as a special kind of President (the dictator kind) and thinks that any challenge to any of his minions is a challenge to him. Being a very thin-skinned dictator, he can’t take any challenge, no matter even if it’s only something that he has built in his own head.

The other possibility is that he is so stupid and inept that he really thinks the power-play is the way to go. Come to think of it, he really is stupid and inept...


16 posted on 06/23/2012 7:07:08 PM PDT by livius
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Obama must have directly approved Fast N Furious...or Holder has got some major compromising photos of Obama beyond being with another woman


18 posted on 06/23/2012 7:11:07 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (When I said "close the borders", I did not mean the bookstore chain)
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To: marktwain
'Why would Obama do such a dumb thing?'

Because he's incompetent and more ideologue than intellect.

19 posted on 06/23/2012 7:14:45 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: marktwain

To my mind, the analysis in the article misses the point because it doesn’t start from the proper understanding of the Obama crowd.

The best starting point in understanding Obama is still “Radical-in-Chief” by Stanley Kurtz.

Obama is a radical masquerading as a conventional politician. Therefore approaching the analysis by trying to find an explanation for his actions in considerations that would be paramount to a conventional politician is not a useful approach.

The same is true of Holder and the radical racists and leftists that operate under his protection in the Justice Department.

If we go back to Alinsky’s way of thinking as a touchstone to understand Obama, what would Alinsky advise?

Alinsky would urge a tactic of provoking confrontation and amplifying grievance.

He would use the media to isolate and demonize the Republicans in Congress who are trying to use the traditional Constitutional procedures to keep Obama and his administration in check.

The first step in the media strategy is to cement in the public mind that this is in essence just a partisan squabble.

The next step is to portray the Republican opponents as being oppressive and overreaching and abusive. This helps to delegitimize the constitutional procedures used by the opponents.

In order to break the Constitution, one must maximize the tensions and contradictions inherent in the system in order to reach a breaking point.

Obama is practically begging for Congress to attack him for improperly usurping power beyond that legally permissible for a president.

He has declared that there are laws he will not enforce (DOMA) and recently unilaterally exempted entire classes of persons from Congressional law (Obamnesty).

He has now found an opportunity to challenge the very basis of Congress’ power to oversee the executive branch.


22 posted on 06/23/2012 7:16:46 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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Stauch supporters of this usurper-in-chief will be forced to admit that this was an amateurish, ham-handed, ill-considered reaction out of the Oval Office. The Emperor’s Clothes, or lack thereof, are rapidly becoming humiliatingly apparent.

Too bad for Odumbo he has no military experience aside from organizing protests. Even a complete civilian with nothing more than a moderate interest in war movies could have recognized and avoided this Charlie Foxtrot.


25 posted on 06/23/2012 7:28:56 PM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constitution? No Union!)
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Why not? What’s he got to lose? Everything to gain if the Pubbies haven’t the stones.


29 posted on 06/23/2012 7:41:08 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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“the documents now to be withheld must be dynamite.”

Assuming it goes to the Courts on the EP claim, there will not be a resolution until after November.

They are running out the clock hoping that even if the worst comes to light, they will still be in power.

More kicking the can down the road. Too damn typical of Washington.

33 posted on 06/23/2012 7:53:16 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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With the options available, why did Obama choose to invoke executive privilege?

Because he could.

For almost four years he has repeatedly lied, cheated, stolen, extorted, broken laws, violated the Constitution, run roughshod over the nation and generally gotten away with acting like a tyrant with almost no repurcusion or complaints.

It seems the more he has defiled the nation, the more most of the media have risen to protect him.

He thinks he is King and up until now most of the nation has treated him as one.


34 posted on 06/23/2012 7:54:28 PM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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Congress is entitled to at least some documents and other information that indicate who the ultimate decision maker was for this disastrous program and why these decisions were made.

OBOZO himself. My, my, my.

36 posted on 06/23/2012 8:02:50 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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We will never see those documents. They will mysteriously catch on fire or the building that they are stored in blows up. The only chance to see them is for Bonehead, on Wednesday, sets the House to vote on holding Holder in contempt. If he is squeezed he might break and if not it will tell us that King Obama is criminally responsible for F&F.
44 posted on 06/23/2012 8:42:54 PM PDT by Logical me
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Reasonable Speculation:

0bama approved gunwalking knowing it would result in hundreds of dead Mexicans with American supplied guns so he could undermine the Bill of Rights (2nd Amendment) in America.

0bama lied, Federal Agents died.

That’s my theory of why this is big enough to require the exercise of Executive Priveledge.


45 posted on 06/23/2012 8:48:13 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Nobody died at Watergate. Who were Brian Terry and Jamie Zapata? (Post this on Facebook, everyone!))
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No way he did this to protect Holder. 0baMugabe is tied by his tiny nads to F&F or something totally unacceptable for public consumption in these documents.


47 posted on 06/23/2012 9:46:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marktwain
Why?

My WAG is that Holder knows too much that could be used against Ø. Long-form Birth certificate anyone? College transcripts?

Stuff like that.



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50 posted on 06/23/2012 11:52:30 PM PDT by rdb3 (If you were tried in court for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?)
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