Posted on 06/22/2012 12:16:02 PM PDT by Kaslin
I used the shortened name for Wikipedia, not Wikileaks.
None of your damned business where I’ve been. I’ve answered. Get lost.
I don't care how ya chop it up, or who did it, sending weapons in the violent corrupt black hole of Mexico was an insane idea.
BTW, I'd like to see Obama removed from office, prosecuted and imprisoned over F&F.
Then why did you allege doubt or attempt to discredit multiple sources?
I had one guy up thread suggesting/implying I was a liar, saying in caps, "NONE OF THE GUNS IN OPERATION WIDE RECEIVER NEVER MADE IT INTO MEXICO? (See post#21)
Who's the real liar or the one who is completely uninformed here?
But Jamie Zapata, who was investigating F&F, was murdered in Mexico in Feb 2011 . Gun smuggled through Texas branch of the “project” killed him, So even if the AZ segment was stopped other part of the country continued it.
I know wiki is the shortened name for Wikipedia, but I didn’t see anyone posting something from that site on this thread
“F & F was shut down only after the death of a border agent.”
IMHO, F&F was stopped because word about it got out, not so much because of Terry’s death. Someone got PO’d.
The information posted in post #26, the post I replied to, came from Wikipedia.
Yes, and it's sad that a lot of attention is given to Brian Terry and his family (and rightly so), yet Jamie and his family are only mentioned occasionally. Both deserve a full and complete accounting from this administration.
Perhaps you should read this.
And there are more sources.
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Regarding William Bill Newell, Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division and Federal Firearms Licensee, Mike Detty, owner of Mad Dawg Global Marketing and a confidential informant for the Tuscon ATF office
“I first heard of Fast & Furious back in spring of 2010 - though its code name was not mentioned. A field agent told me, “I have no idea on why they are letting so many guns go to Mexico or what they are hoping to do with the information but it makes your case look like small fry,” he said referring to the 450 guns that were allowed to walk over the border in Wide Receiver.”
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/11/ssi-exclusive-atf-washington-post.html
You are welcome but it should not surprise anyone that the lame steam media is not interested
It's amazing what some of you people will do and say.
BTW, ya want to show us all a link/source for that?
Bush is not in office. Imagine if the next post-Obama administration uses what Obama has done to set the bar. (WR is not F&F)
1. Wide Receiver was less than one-quarter the size of Fast and Furious, involving about 500 guns. About 450 guns made it across the border into Mexico. Not only was Fast and Furious much larger, but it was only one of several gun walking operations launched by the Obama Administration. In fact, intrepid CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson says she has “found allegations of gun walking in at least 10 cities in five states.”
2. Unlike the Obama Administration programs, there actually was a serious attempt made to track the Wide Receiver weapons. Some of them were fitted with radio tracking devices. The cartel gun buyers figured out how to defeat the tracking system by driving around in circles, until the tracking planes ran out of fuel and were forced to return to base. Also, some of the tracking devices were damaged when ATF agents improperly inserted them into the guns.
By contrast, one of the signature features of Obama gun walking is that absolutely no effort to track the guns was ever in place. ATF agents have testified they were expressly ordered to stand down when they tried to follow the cartel straw purchasers. Whatever mistakes were made in Operation Wide Receiver, there’s no way to argue that Operation Fast and Furious was not much worse… because they should have learned from what happened in Wide Receiver.
3. And by “they” I mean “Special Agent In Charge Bill Newell.” That’s right – the same Phoenix ATF supervisor who became famous during the investigation of Fast and Furious was involved with Operation Wide Receiver. He’s also the ATF agent that originally told Congress that he mentioned gun walking in a roundabout way to his old buddy Kevin O’Reilly of the White House national security staff, who he communicates with maybe three or four times a year… only to be exposed as a liar when the same document dump that put AG Holder in jeopardy of perjury charges revealed a constant stream of emails between Newell and O’Reilly, lasting over a month.
4. Operation Wide Receiver was, by all accounts, shut down after its weapons dropped off the grid, and the ATF realized it had blundered. Operation Fast and Furious was only shut down because two of its weapons were discovered at the scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder. According to congressional testimony, the Terry shooting - along with the mistaken suspicion that Tucson mass murderer Jared Loughner might have been packing a Fast and Furious gun – panicked top ATF brass into halting its gun walking operations.
5. The Obama Justice Department cobbled together significant inter-agency co-operation for its huge gun walking programs. As Kurt Hofmann of the Gun Rights Examiner notes, “At this point, we don’t seem to have any evidence that earlier ‘gunwalking’ involved the FBI, the DEA, DHS, the State Department, the IRS, and even the White House Security Council.”
6. And, of course, there was no massive cover-up of Wide Receiver. No senior Administration officials committed perjury to distance themselves from it. The ATF was not exactly advertising the existence of the operation, or its unhappy conclusion, but that’s very different from the thick stone wall Obama and his people tried to build around their far larger and deadlier operations.
Yeah I know, but I could not remember the name of of the agent. I figured someone would. Thanks for posting
I realized it after rereading the post and taking a closer look at it.
My point was guns were sent into the corrupt black hole of Mexico by *two* administrations. Then I had the guy in room#21 basically calls me a liar and says in caps:
"""Either you haven’t read THAT NONE OF THE GUNS IN OPERATION WIDE RECEIVER NEVER MADE IT INTO MEXICO, our you are a liar trying to bash Bush. Which is it?"""
We all know F&F was worse, but as you know, that wasn't my point.
Read back.
I'd like to see a full article on this,with sources. Anybody know where that can be found? The facts are probably all on Sipsey, but a direct comparison in one article, with sources cited, I have not yet seen. Please,,,SOMEBODY.....do this!
Ya didn't notice that Kaslin?
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