Posted on 06/13/2012 6:05:21 PM PDT by Grig
There’s the look and feel of more than one.
Infant Baptism is not just a Catholic tradition. Anglicans, Orthodox, and many Protestant churches do it. Catholics hold several types of Baptism as part of the sacrament. What is referred to as infant Baptism (Initiation) would be recognized by belief as a dedication ceremony in most Baptist of fundamentalist churches.
It is different than the Catholic Adult Baptism, ‘Baptism by Desire’ which is given to those who can only freely choose or who, ‘through no fault of there own’ can’t freely make the choice before they die (given usually as part of last rights for those who are unable to reach the age of accountability or other reason (mental capacity) can’t freely choose). Unlike some denominations, Catholics believe that one can only be Baptized once ‘by Desire’ and they recognize the Baptism in another Christian denomination as the same.
Also recognized is the Baptism by Blood which is a recognition of those who were martyred for the faith before they can receive Baptism by Desire.
I care not how anyone worships, what they worship, what path they say is the true path or even if they worship anything at all.
What matters is do they want to use government force to make me believe what they believe? Do they want to use government force to limit or ban consensual transactions between consenting adults?
Do they want to use government force for any other reason to defend the US citizens from attacks or to prevent US citizens from harming one another or prosecute those that have harmed others?
Jumping the Shark Placemarker
Yes, the level of political discourse has sadly suffered here for some time.
I am a long-time student of the Holy Bible and the attitudes of many so-called Christians here are primitive and Pharisee-like. This is to be expected among organized religious sects, each assuming its own primacy and private hold on the ‘truth’.
Big deal.
Not.
Great posts!
That was then, now more and more it has felt like FR has dwindled into an insular, nearly feral, group of political and religious thought police whose mission is to ferret out anybody who doesn’t fit their orthodoxy and get rid of them, while propagandizing against anything the disagree with. At times it feels more energy is spent attacking those who should be seen as allies rather than the true enemies.
You have only been here a week. By a majority of the members here Arpaio is likely the most respected person in government around here...I suggest you keep your underlying negative comments about him to yourself if you want to stay.
I come from good Baptist stock on my mother’s side. Growing up, family was also the only practicing Catholic family in a valley where most people had a higher opinion of Jack Chick than the Pope.
I deliberately put the adjective “traditional” in front of Protestant because some caveats are certainly in order, but doing more than noting that would divert the thrust of the thread.
I’d love to see the Bible passage that notes that “Baptism according to the Bible is immersion by those old enough to make a conscious decision to repent of their sins and believe on jesus Christ.”, and then I’d like to see you square it with Acts 16:33, where Paul and Silas baptize their jailer “with all his family.” At the same time, I need to go clean up the kitchen, so I don’t have time for extended debate.
I don’t spend a lot of time on FR anymore, but I can tell you for an absolute certainty that the personal attacks here today are nothing compared to the flame wars during the krinton era. That was truly the age of Titans. I shuddered to read the nearly nuclear shrieking rants back then. The new freedom of the net and the absence if tone in posts led to nothing short of cyber murder in many cases.
Today’s whining weenies need to take their vitamins and they usually go about boasting about some silly educational or vocational merit to bolster their intellectual global supremacy and preening, idiotic claims to know the mind of God.
Think about it and just get over it. If you don’t like people pushing their orthodoxy, get up and get something from the fridge or go weed the garden.
Sheesh.
He survived but he attends a feel good modern independent Protestant church of some kind ~ but the service keeps him awake and interested.
That's how it's done in the real world folks. Buddhist to Baptist with a Catholic lay baptism.
Wait a minute, that's exactly what I was thinking about YOUR post.
I'm sure Mitt will win. And our future will be:
Mitt quote: ...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way...
I blame it all on you.
Thanks.
Slick Willard ? No sale.
Good posts. People for Romney will never find anything wrong with him. God help us.
Speaking of “dare,” I daresay that had Mitt Romney been as conservative as most Mormons, there would be far less acrimony now. But nooooo, he’s been largely indistinguishable from Harry Reid on most issues of the day. Had you gained as fine an appreciation for our founding principles over the course of your being a FReeper, I also daresay that you’d be able to overcome mere tribalism to recognize the weakness of the candidate in this regard. No one ever saw me going to the mat for Mike Huckabee, despite apparent religious common ground. He’s an advocate of big government. There we parted ways. That you apparently are unwilling or unable to do the same says much about your priorities, which would appear to be rather oddly grounded in group identity for a putative constitutional conservative.
Thank you for your thoughtful and substantive contribution to the discussion.
You lie.
- President Romney will do very well on the economy and on foreign affairs/national security
- President Romney will conduct himself with honor and integrity both in office and in his personal life
- He will be a better president than either Bush was
These are not such sweeping claims, are they? Do you really think it impossible that Romney will accomplish these goals? I don't.
There you go again making a personal attack.
Always happy to contribute, sugar lips.
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