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End of the manual transmission?
High Gear Media via Foxnews ^ | May 02, 2012 | By Thomas Bey

Posted on 06/01/2012 7:23:21 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

Go to any given dealership with 100 new cars.

On average, just four of the 2012 models will have manual gearboxes.

The trend of the vanishing third pedal is nothing new, notes The Detroit News.

Even a decade ago, just 8.5 percent of 2002 models were manuals. The paper’s own automotive reporter even confesses she never learned to drive a stick shift until it essentially became a job requirement.

It’s more than a little contradictory to automotive reviews (including many you’ll read here) extolling the pleasure of enthusiastic driving with a true manual gearbox. Likewise, purists gravitate to manuals for tackling their favorite twisting road or occasional track day. It’s the original form of in-car connectivity.

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To: US Navy Vet

Back about 1995 or so, I won a (used) car from a radio station. I had to drive to a dealership about 30 miles away to pick it up, and was dismayed to find out it was a stick.

Luckily my passenger could drive one, so he drove it home, where it sat outside my apartment for two weeks. One day I got into it, looked around and said this is ridiculous. I started it up and taught myself how to drive a stick.

I love driving them. They are definitely more fun than an auto.


51 posted on 06/01/2012 7:43:22 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Worst. President. Ever.)
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To: US Navy Vet

since high school..and back then my Dad even told me not to buy any car with auto or he’ll disown me.


52 posted on 06/01/2012 7:43:40 AM PDT by max americana
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL! Its called multi-tasking. Brings back memories.

But if you really want to multi-task, pilot an airplane.......IFR.


53 posted on 06/01/2012 7:43:50 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: US Navy Vet

Just lost a twelve year old Toyota (through accident) with 244,000+ miles and the original clutch. It was heart breaking.

I can attest to the lack of availability of the standard transmission as I attempted to replace my totaled car. Subaru and Hyundai still offer them in their SUV lines.

Unfortunately, neither met my needs so I had to accept an automatic transmission. My left foot is still reflexively steps on the floor.


54 posted on 06/01/2012 7:44:07 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: School of Rational Thought

55 posted on 06/01/2012 7:44:28 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: liberalh8ter
My jeep is a stick...wouldn’t have it any other way!

So is mine. There is a real advantage to driving a Jeep with a stick down a steep, narrow trail at 10,000 feet in the mountains. Put it in compound low and first gear and crawl down the road without having to touch the pedals.

A Jeep's auto tranny can overheat in those conditions and the brakes will get hot from constantly hitting them as the auto won't hold you back like a stick will.

56 posted on 06/01/2012 7:44:50 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: School of Rational Thought
It would seem that the government overlords would have mandated more standard transmissions because of the fuel economy involved.

Most newer cars have electronic transmissions and they are way more fuel efficient than manuals..

57 posted on 06/01/2012 7:44:50 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: US Navy Vet

Never learned. Growing up around the hills and hollows of Western Pennsylvania they never proved to be very practical (for sure you don’t want to be sitting too close behind one at an uphill stop light).


58 posted on 06/01/2012 7:46:09 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: US Navy Vet
How many here can drive a "Stick"?

I prefer a stick and miss it terribly. My first car, a B210, was a stick. Then two Spitfires ('71 and a '69), followed by a '85 CRX. With the exception of the 210, all were fun to drive. The only stick I never really enjoyed was dad's '89 Silverado 4WD. That thing was a beast.

59 posted on 06/01/2012 7:46:24 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: circlecity
shift lever was on the steering column.

And that can be done left-handed, while undoing a bra-strap with your right hand. ;)

I wasn't always a celibate.

/johnny

60 posted on 06/01/2012 7:46:39 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: US Navy Vet

I’ve always preferred manual transmissions whenever I could get one. I still am not a fan of automatics because they eventually develop and overdrive/converter/switch problem.

My last two Hondas, 2005 and 2009 were both 5 speed manuals. If they had had one on the lot like I wanted, my 2010 F-150 would have one.


61 posted on 06/01/2012 7:46:53 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: US Navy Vet

I’m going to Dresden in a couple of weeks. Reserving a car on Avis, you have to go upscale to get automatic transmission- default is stick. I can’t wait, it will bring back nice memories.


62 posted on 06/01/2012 7:47:02 AM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: US Navy Vet

Learned on an old Mack quad box. Two sticks...two hands. never forgot.

http://vodpod.com/watch/3023018-quad-box-shifting


63 posted on 06/01/2012 7:48:09 AM PDT by SpeakLittle_ThinkMuch (A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Ruh-Roh. Just bought a manual yesterday.’05 Corolla supposed to get 41 highway.

Not good for resale, but we drive our cars into the ground.

First manual in ten years. It came back to me pretty quick.

Downside for me is that it’s much harder to eat and drive, although I usually do that on the highway.


64 posted on 06/01/2012 7:48:24 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Yup. Can’t get Mrs. Colonel or the fledglings (both girls) into it, though...


65 posted on 06/01/2012 7:49:46 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: US Navy Vet

I learned to drive on both manual and automatic, but I prefer a manual. You are much more aware of your driving when you drive a manual.


66 posted on 06/01/2012 7:50:09 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Celtic Conservative
Learned to drive stick on a '85 renault with a 5 speed getrag transmission. After you got past first, it was very easy to shift. First gear in that thing was a stone b#+ch.

Sounds like my older borther's '59 Opel. Learning first gear in that one was tough.

My first car, a '61 Impala, was an automatic (283 engine with the old 2-speed, IIRC, powerglide). After that it was all sticks until 2010 when I went for my fourth Honda.

Decided to go with the automatic-equipped Civic EX (I don't think Honda even makes an EX with a stick any more--certainly none on the local lots). The Civic Si model was stick-only (6-speed), but it was a little spendier than I wanted; plus, I was spending a lot of time in stop-n-go traffic in those days.

67 posted on 06/01/2012 7:51:24 AM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: US Navy Vet

It’s likely because I’m so used to a manual but there is no comparison on mountainous, winding roads. Also, I do get better mileage with a manual. Now trying to teach a daughter to drive a stick, that I could have done without.


68 posted on 06/01/2012 7:51:59 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: US Navy Vet

If you work on your own car, you will quickly realize:

new clutch = $200
new automatic transmission = $1,500

I drive a stick because I’m cheap.


69 posted on 06/01/2012 7:51:59 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: US Navy Vet
How many here can drive a "Stick"?

Back in the early 80s, the US Army realized that a small percentage of new recruits could drive stick, and that it was a waste of valuable time to train them.

At that point they made all new vehicle procurements with automatics.

And that was 30 yrs ago....

70 posted on 06/01/2012 7:52:19 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: US Navy Vet

They can have my Dodge 4X4 6 speed when they remove my cold dead foot from their bloodied “clutch”.


71 posted on 06/01/2012 7:52:40 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
That is the nice thing about the 240Z with that strong straight 6 and a serious clutch... You can take off in 2nd and keep it there until about 55-60. Well, back when I was young and stupid, anyway.

It's performance is wasted on me today. I learned that I, too, can die ugly. ;)

/johnny

72 posted on 06/01/2012 7:53:09 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: US Navy Vet

I just bought a Kia with a six speed manual tranny. I had forgotten how much fun they can be.


73 posted on 06/01/2012 7:53:13 AM PDT by buffaloguy (uab.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I took my chauffeur’s license test with a highway patrolman in a new 72 passenger school bus. It was a very large '66 International with a five speed/2 speed rear. he took me down alleys and a series of tight turns. I didn't scrape anything...
74 posted on 06/01/2012 7:54:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: jimmygrace

Driving a Mini in England was interesting. Right hand drive with a stick...That took some practice...


75 posted on 06/01/2012 7:54:09 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Age of Reason

-—says that auto transmissions are superior for off roading, because they can respond faster to changing conditions than a human can shift a manual transmission.——

Yeah. I drove my manual Wrangler with a foot-long shifter down a Maine logging road. I could barely stay in the seat, nevermind find a gear.


76 posted on 06/01/2012 7:55:06 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Age of Reason

I don’t know about that. I’m in mud heaven here and we have a saying....stick it in low and go!


77 posted on 06/01/2012 7:55:21 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: US Navy Vet

I not only can drive a stick, I prefer to


78 posted on 06/01/2012 7:55:38 AM PDT by Mom MD (The country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: US Navy Vet

Years ago, when my best friend and I both drove 1970-vintage 240Z’s, I observed that girls drove mostly automatics. He showed me plenty of counterexamples to this, which I guess was easy because we belonged to a sports car club.

Anyway, after that time, I saw a lot of stick-driving chicks.

I guess it depends on one’s perceptions, which are not uncommonly refuted by statistics.


79 posted on 06/01/2012 7:56:35 AM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: US Navy Vet

AND I (the good farm boy that I am) can drive a “Straight Truck” w/ a “High/Low Axle Transmission too(I can “move” an 18 wheeler if I have to).


80 posted on 06/01/2012 7:56:54 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Ouderkirk
I read that most new ‘vettes are sold with automatic transmissions.
81 posted on 06/01/2012 7:56:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Texas resident
Learned on a ‘31 Model A Ford. Drove a VW bug for 15 years.

Me too. :) I have a 74 beetle and a TR7 Triumph now, along with a 1994 Ford Ranger 4WD, also a manual.

82 posted on 06/01/2012 7:57:25 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Joe 6-pack

“While lighting a cigarette and tuning the radio...”

LOL...I’ve been known to eat with my right hand and reach over to shift with my left hand.


83 posted on 06/01/2012 7:57:38 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: trisham

I loved my stick-shift pickup truck so much that I developed a callus on my left butt cheek.


84 posted on 06/01/2012 7:57:47 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: Age of Reason; liberalh8ter

My jeep is also a stick and it is much more fun to drive even when stuck in traffic.

I read an article from Four Wheel magazine where each and every writer preferred a stick for several reasons.

The most important for all of them was survivability. Each had been stranded by a auto that hit a rock but one ever drove home with a stick that had a gash in the gear box and no fluid. He said it was a noisy ride but he made it home with no problems.

Sticks are more forgiving and cheaper to replace. They last longer if properly cared for and are more interesting.

I have a sticker on the side of my Jeep that says “Shift Happens.”

I had to replace the shift handle. The new one came from http://www.hotrodshiftknob.com/

You have to pay more attention when driving a shift and you are more in tune with our car as well.


85 posted on 06/01/2012 7:58:09 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Downside for me is that it’s much harder to eat and drive, although I usually do that on the highway.


don’t worry.. they will outlaw eating in the car soon enough.


86 posted on 06/01/2012 7:58:09 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: US Navy Vet

My uncle had one of these way back when.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjkRB1Ibjj0


87 posted on 06/01/2012 7:58:39 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: madison10

Sticks ate actually better for snow covered roads. Instant downshift ability is key and not available on automatics


88 posted on 06/01/2012 7:58:57 AM PDT by Mom MD (The country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Inyo-Mono

We’re flatlanders but have lots of mud. As long as you enter the mud in 4 low - 1st or 2nd, it’ll pull you through by itself. Mr. Liberalh8ter likes it especially because doing it this way, he doesn’t spill his drink! LOL


89 posted on 06/01/2012 7:59:50 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I took my driver’s test in 1966 Beetle.

Did mine in a 69 Beetle. Learned to work on engines with that one.

When it finally gave up the ghost, I had a box full of parts left over. Don't know how it still ran, but it did.

90 posted on 06/01/2012 8:00:01 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (If Obama was any more thin skinned, he'd have a receptacle end: Dennis Miller)
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To: US Navy Vet
Until comparatively recently, all my cars had manual transmissions.

I hated driving stick, but I did so because I abhorred the inherent complexity of automatic transmissions, and suspected that the simpler manual transmission would be more reliable and easier to fix if it breaks.

But driving stick was a pain in the rear. Between having to steer the car, hold my coffee, and light and smoke my cigarettes, my hands had enough to do without having to constantly reach for the damn shift lever.

That I am tall also made it a nuisance on my GM car to reach a steering column shift lever with the seat pushed all the way back, especially with having one foot in the air.

My Volvos with their stick on the floor and better overall ergonometric design made it easier for me, but I still hate driving stick. Damn nuisance.

Sure, the performance of auto transmissions is still spongier--so add a little extra horsepower and that's problem solved.

And if autos burn more gas, so what if you can afford it?

Probably the only reason someone drives stick today, is because they like to play vroom-vroom games when they drive like children.

Cars are for getting you from here to there safely. They are also, unfortunately, sometimes needed as a status-symbol sales aid in business and socially.

91 posted on 06/01/2012 8:00:01 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: US Navy Vet

O and I drive one of these too(mine is Red):
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/electra-glide-classic.html


92 posted on 06/01/2012 8:00:25 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Nik Naym

I think grampa told me his T had three pedals aside from gas and brake: Reverse, low, and high.


93 posted on 06/01/2012 8:00:29 AM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: KC Burke

I hear ya...

My car is a Hyundai Elantra...very underpowered. I have determined that it is physically impossible for anybody to learn on that car (without breaking something).


94 posted on 06/01/2012 8:00:34 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Nice. My first car was a TR6 which had a super-heavy clutch and engaged practically right at the floor. So it had to be mashed to the floor and held there. Fun car, it is in a state of disrepair in my parent’s barn. Someday I’ll get it back together and running again.


95 posted on 06/01/2012 8:01:35 AM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I used to drive a tactical deuce and half semi in the Army. We got into some tight places, but compared to the Dixie contingent, we Yankees simply could not drive. Hence the dominance of NASCAR by Dixie.


96 posted on 06/01/2012 8:02:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: US Navy Vet
My Manuel transmission is from Barcelona.

Of course, like all good FR posters I have not yet read the article :) but are there not plenty of hybrid transmissions with the paddle shift option, giving one the manual experience w/o the manual clutch?

97 posted on 06/01/2012 8:02:39 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Extraneous Wind sends ...)
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To: donna
"Just us elders."

Hooray for the wrinkleys - AND the can drive Auto too!

98 posted on 06/01/2012 8:02:45 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: SpeakLittle_ThinkMuch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mf6AUbjT-s&feature=related


99 posted on 06/01/2012 8:02:57 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: US Navy Vet

1980 Xterra with 5 speed on the floor.


100 posted on 06/01/2012 8:03:07 AM PDT by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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