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1 posted on 05/16/2012 5:58:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Curious. Nowhere in my quick read of this do I seen anything about voting for down-ticket candidates that could make a difference. It reads just like a treatise on why one should not vote for Romney and how we should create a third, fourth, fifth, sixth party.
2 posted on 05/16/2012 6:01:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Serious question. What time is it? My webtv says 5:00am yet I am on EDT, 9:oo am. Yopur post on FR says about 5:56 last time I checked.


3 posted on 05/16/2012 6:01:56 AM PDT by larryjohnson (USAF(Ret))
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Same thing here in California. I haven't decided whether or not I'll vote for Romney.

Thankfully, we do not elect a President based on the popular vote so I don't really look at it as throwing away my vote.

As for the rest of the ballot, I will definitely vote for the closest thing to a Tea Party candidate we have to choose from all the way down to Dog Catcher.

4 posted on 05/16/2012 6:09:19 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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As someone who ran for Texas governor in 2010 as a Libertarian, I will follow this thread closely. Conservatives (who knew about me)agreed that I would be a better governor than Rick Perry but they voted for him anyway. I continue to try to to understand this.
5 posted on 05/16/2012 6:10:08 AM PDT by kathie4guv (Vote Kathie Glass for Texas governor for a secure border.)
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Our problem is not the lack of a large third party, we lack a third, fourth, fifth and sixth party. We need parties that show every shade of our political beliefs instead of allowing just two parties to encompass our political philosophies.

Naive in the extreme. Liberals may only represent 30% of the population but they are extremely cohesive.

In any race with more than one or two other parties any coalition of organized labor, public employees and welfare queens will dominate until the wheels come off.

6 posted on 05/16/2012 6:11:23 AM PDT by skeeter
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This guy must have read my post here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2871012/posts?page=1341#1341

where I suggested that a protest vote against the GOP-e might be possible in ULTRA-blue California and by inference other solid blue states, but wouldn't be wise in a battleground state.

7 posted on 05/16/2012 6:11:55 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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We’re going to haveta hold RINORomney’s feet to the fire in order to hold him to the st raight and narrow.

We have to bend him to the Right.

At least we know he’s bendable.

I’d go after the Fedgov with a chainsaw, but that’s me.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 6:12:30 AM PDT by Flintlock (THE TRUTH: It's the new hate speech..)
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Thanks for this thread.


13 posted on 05/16/2012 6:20:52 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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What splinter group do you most closely identify? Might it be the TEA Party, Ron Paul, or some other small tent that fails to encompass the entire political spectrum.

TEA Party is about basically one idea and that was TAXED Enough Already, and that Enough is Enough, and that since so much has already been taken away that we hold dear we will not compromise one more interest for the sake of political give and take.

Ron Paul is also about fiscal responsibility embodied in opposition to the FED in a nutshell, yet somehow his supporters at the meeting I went to are in lock step over Obama's support of Gays, e.g., they do not care about the social context of the political spectrum.

My interests are economic, political (Geo in context) and military based on a cold war reality that Peach through Security allowed countries such as Germany, Japan and South Korea to prosper in the seas of communism and socialism.

Your answer in my estimation is that you are lost in the Big Tent GOP and DNC.

The solution is tie yourself in activism and personal effort to ensure a splinter group such as TEA or PAUL grows and slowly overtakes the main party (an example of which is Chicago politics starting with the Race Riots of the 67-68, folks like Hillary defending the Black Panthers, Oprah W. and finally Barrack ascending to primacy over the DNC with a liberal brand of socialist black thug power).

The TEA Party continues to target the most egregious affronts to conservatism within the GOP and PAUL has built a growing constituency of renewable voters and supports with each of the last three elections. TEA will eventually overtake the mainstream GOP and PAUL will eventually prosper if his supporters embrace social conservative issues rather than parroting the liberal social democrats.

15 posted on 05/16/2012 6:24:22 AM PDT by Jumper
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Rebuttal: In this presidential election, even in California, a vote for the Republican DOES matter. California has joined the cabal of states who will give their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote. It’s arguably unconstitutional (I forget exactly why, states may not enter into deals with other states?) but right now it’s CA law.

They want to have it both ways in case it’s a repeat of 2004, where Gore, in one of the many recounts, arguably got more popular votes than Bush. (But if the opposite happens this year and Romney wins only because of such a scheme, you can bet your bottom dollar that CA will make it Job One to repeal it.)

Let me say it again: in CA and some other liberal states, this year, a vote for the Republican candidate matters!


16 posted on 05/16/2012 6:25:38 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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If you a resident in any state except for New Hampshire, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, New Mexico, Michigan or Maine, please understand that your election has already been decided; your vote does not matter.

If the author's article catches on, then there are only a few states where your vote doesn't matter. And Texas isn't one of them, nor is Oregon or West Virginia.

The only states where your vote doesn't matter are the deep blue and deep red states: Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut, New York, District of Columbia, California, Hawaii and Utah, Oklahoma, Alabama and Mississippi

17 posted on 05/16/2012 6:25:54 AM PDT by kidd
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Unfortunately I am in a swing state and have to hold my nose.


18 posted on 05/16/2012 6:26:02 AM PDT by digital-olive
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ALERT! Calling all FReepers. We have to start understanding the bigger picture in this and all future elections. As much as I will hold my nose I will vote for Romney. Why?
There is a push, as noted in other replies, for using the POPULAR VOTE to determine elections. Undermining the electoral college. Big mistake. If by some fluke Bambi wins the popular vote and looses in the electoral college there will be trouble. Please re-think your position. Your vote matters in today's environment. As much as it hurts we need to put Romney in with electoral and popular vote victories.
WHAT IS TO BE DONE? As noted before. We need to make sure all down ticket races go to as conservative a person as possible. That will reign in Romney. As I have said before we are lucky in some ways Romney is wishy washy. We can and will bend him our way. Obama is a ideologue. We can't change that. We can change Romney. Especially if he is thinking second term. If it is apparent he will not be considered for a second term if he is too liberal he will turn conservative. That is our ace in the hole.
21 posted on 05/16/2012 7:18:50 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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