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Capitalists and Other Psychopaths
NYTIMES Sunday Review ^ | May 12-13, 2012 | WILLIAM DERESIEWICZ

Posted on 05/14/2012 10:04:12 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay

THERE is an ongoing debate in this country about the rich: who they are, what their social role may be, whether they are good or bad. Well, consider the following. A recent study found that 10 percent of people who work on Wall Street are “clinical psychopaths,” exhibiting a lack of interest in and empathy for others and an “unparalleled capacity for lying, fabrication, and manipulation.” (The proportion at large is 1 percent.) Another study concluded that the rich are more likely to lie, cheat and break the law.

The only thing that puzzles me about these claims is that anyone would find them surprising. Wall Street is capitalism in its purest form, and capitalism is predicated on bad behavior. This should hardly be news. The English writer Bernard Mandeville asserted as much nearly three centuries ago in a satirical-poem-cum-philosophical-treatise called “The Fable of the Bees.”

“Private Vices, Publick Benefits” read the book’s subtitle. A Machiavelli of the economic realm

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: capitalism
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Which came first:

Entrepreneurs aka the job creators or the workers aka the wealth creators?

1 posted on 05/14/2012 10:04:17 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
A recent study found that 10 percent of people who work on Wall Street are “clinical psychopaths,” exhibiting a lack of interest in and empathy for others and an “unparalleled capacity for lying, fabrication, and manipulation.”

I dare them to conduct the same study at the New York Slimes.

2 posted on 05/14/2012 10:06:19 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Capitalism my big hairy butt. Wall street has been in league with the government as of late. That is not capitalism at all.


3 posted on 05/14/2012 10:08:49 AM PDT by jimpick
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To: jimpick

It’s capitalism, just now the government has control of more of the capital.


4 posted on 05/14/2012 10:10:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Columbia, Yale, The Nation.....quite a resume this flaming pinko has.


5 posted on 05/14/2012 10:13:11 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: fight_truth_decay
capitalism is predicated on bad behavior. This should hardly be news. The English writer Bernard Mandeville asserted as much nearly three centuries ago in a satirical-poem-cum-philosophical-treatise called “The Fable of the Bees.”

The author either has not read The Fable of the Bees or is perhaps being dishonest here.

Mandeville was an influence on Keynes. He promoted the idea that prosperity comes from spending money, not saving/investing money.

Mandeville's book was scandalous in the early 1700s because he argued that drinkers, lechers, gamblers, etc. all helped the economy by freely spending money and basically redistributing wealth. Vice, he said, is good for society -- it gets money moving.

In today's world, Mandeville would surely be an Obama voter. It is a huge stretch to say that Mandeville was a capitalist.

6 posted on 05/14/2012 10:14:22 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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What is capitalism?

Republicans need to distinguish between multi-nationals, foreign owned, anti-American corporations; and Main Street USA.

Corporations are killing our culture.

7 posted on 05/14/2012 10:16:31 AM PDT by donna (The fruits of Feminism: Angry fathers, bitter mothers, fat kids and political correctness.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

A recent study found that 10 percent of people who work on Wall Street are “clinical psychopaths,” exhibiting a lack of interest in and empathy for others and an “unparalleled capacity for lying, fabrication, and manipulation.”
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My ex daughter in law does not work on Wall Street, but the rest of the description matches her perfectly.


8 posted on 05/14/2012 10:16:55 AM PDT by Venturer
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“Wall street has been in league with the government as of late. That is not capitalism at all.”

Exactly right. Until people recognize that fact and quit tying it to capitalism, there will be no long term free enterprise in this country.


9 posted on 05/14/2012 10:20:29 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: fight_truth_decay

This sums it up really, really well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dwz_Z62e0s

The money quote as it applies here:

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. - Adam Smith

That is the secret of the free markets. Build a better mousetrap and live in a nicer house.


10 posted on 05/14/2012 10:20:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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In other words, . . . . Accounting fraud, tax evasion, toxic dumping, product safety violations, bid rigging, overbilling, perjury. . . . Shafting your workers, hurting your customers, destroying the land. Leaving the public to pick up the tab. These aren’t anomalies; this is how the system works: . . .

And yet, this evil, psychopathic system has generated more wealth and pulled more humans out of poverty and misery in the countries that tried it than any other system in the history of humanity. "Shafting your workers" -- and yet workers today in Capitalist countries have better living standards than workers in any other country and vastly better standards than workers had before Capitalism took hold. "Product safety violations" and yet, there are more products on the market that have materially benefited humanity than at any other time in human history.

This writer has absolutely no historical perspective. No understanding that, before Capitalism, people were literally dirt poor. They lived miserable subsistence existences. Now most people don't and its as a result of Capitalism.

11 posted on 05/14/2012 10:21:50 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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politicians “are more likely to lie, cheat and break the law”


12 posted on 05/14/2012 10:27:32 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: fight_truth_decay
It may or may not be true. The question to ask is why would a psychopath end up in Wall Street?

Read “Snakes in Suits”. For some areas of finance, it would be reasonable to expect this. The high risk, high reward nature of the work would attract them, along with the rather unstructured environment at many firms.

13 posted on 05/14/2012 10:28:48 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Hummm. Let's see.
The Choice, as the NY Times puts it is...
I can choose between Liars Cheaters and Thieves.
Or.
Fascist/Socialist, Tyrants and Dictators, who Murder People by the MILLIONS.
I don't know. It's a tough choice, but I'll have to go with the Liars Cheaters and Thieves.
14 posted on 05/14/2012 10:28:56 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
... exhibiting a lack of interest in and empathy for others and an “unparalleled capacity for lying, fabrication, and manipulation.”

Gee, this sounds like the current resident of the WH.

15 posted on 05/14/2012 10:29:27 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: fight_truth_decay
A recent study found that 10 percent of people who work on Wall Street are “clinical psychopaths,” exhibiting a lack of interest in and empathy for others and an “unparalleled capacity for lying, fabrication, and manipulation.”

. . . And, as compared to those who work in government? Do we have those figures too?

16 posted on 05/14/2012 10:29:52 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: fight_truth_decay

“Well, consider the following. A recent study found that 10 percent of people who work on Wall Street are “clinical psychopaths,” exhibiting a lack of interest in and empathy for others and an “unparalleled capacity for lying, fabrication, and manipulation.” (The proportion at large is 1 percent.) Another study concluded that the rich are more likely to lie, cheat and break the law.”

AKA - Obama Donors


17 posted on 05/14/2012 10:30:38 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Would you rather eat dog food or cat food? Guess it's Romney 2012.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I dare them to the same study on Congress, the Obama cabinet and the Obama “Czars.”


18 posted on 05/14/2012 10:31:09 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
A recent study found that 10 percent of people who work on Wall Street are “clinical psychopaths”

Only 10 percent?

19 posted on 05/14/2012 10:32:23 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I would hazard a guess that 10% of any given population would fit the definition of “clinical psychopaths”.


20 posted on 05/14/2012 10:33:07 AM PDT by Josephat (`)
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