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To: philman_36
Again, the links are much appreciated! :-)

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Pardon my curiosity, but have you been studying the natural born / naturalized citizen issue for a long time, or is your interest a recent one?

346 posted on 05/09/2012 5:37:56 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan
Pardon my curiosity, but have you been studying the natural born / naturalized citizen issue for a long time, or is your interest a recent one?
No problem and I like curious people. I've been watching waiting on this from way back when the Hatch Amendment came out. Didn't know how it would all pan out and now it's clear.
I've learned a lot on my own (and some of it was wrong and was corrected later) and I've learned even more on this issue from the comments and views of other FReepers who I've come to respect. I've still got some learning to do in fine tuning the issue and you've assisted in that as well.
I still get some of it wrong every now and then. I've tried to put what I learned to good use.

So my obvious question is...what did I get wrong this time?

348 posted on 05/09/2012 7:56:39 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MD Expat in PA; philman_36
It just occurred to me we may have been looking at this whole 'naturalization at birth' thing from the wrong angle. It isn't what the codes said at the time, or what they say now, or even whether or not the federal government has the authority to pass such legislation.

If you believe We the People are Sovereign, the question should be -
Can a minor child personally sign a legally binding contract?

If the answer is 'no', then it matters not whether the contract is offered, as no legal implied or expressed acceptance of it can ever occur.

Nor would the alien/foreign parents have the standing to sign such a contract on their child's behalf, as they are among the excluded classes of the intent of the 14th Amendment.

The above, of course, should not be confused with the legitimate legal concept of derivation, where a child becomes a naturalized citizen when the parent, with knowledge and consent, has completed the naturalization process to become a citizen himself.

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IMHO, the entire legalistic perversion by the federal government of the naturalization-at-birth concept is for no other reason that to control the quality and quantity of the populace.

352 posted on 05/09/2012 8:23:52 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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