TH is restrictive and needs javascript to read correctly. Also it gets inexplicably balky about Facebook logins from time to time. (Firefox, on Windows and Linux.)
But... you know, I have to say I miss MurryMom who finally got zotted out of here. Without genuine liberals to argue with, this gets to be a bit of an echo chamber. Could there be a Screaming Liberals forum for this sort of exchange to take place in?
Maybe Jim could set something up like the religious Square where pretty much you have to have a thick skin to tread there..... It gets hot and heavy but you sure learn and see the difference between truth and falsehood when all is said and done. It's moderated... basically you can't make it personal attacks...but it gets feisty and lively none the less. I rather think Paul and some of the disciples had some heavy debates along the way and a passions rose.....so too with politics as religion....passions run high.... there is much at stake to win or loose.