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End of the manual transmission?
Fox News ^ | May 02, 2012 | Thomas Bey

Posted on 05/02/2012 1:50:24 PM PDT by Sopater

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To: Figment
No reason for a manual tranny in a vehicle other than a work truck these days. Automatics have improved to the point that mpg differences are negligible and they are a lot less likely to have problems than a clutch

For the first 100K then its dicey with potential a HUGE bill (>$3K) coming your way.

101 posted on 05/02/2012 4:44:58 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: All

are there any cars that have “paddle shifters” like they have in F1???


102 posted on 05/02/2012 4:51:17 PM PDT by ak267
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To: central_va

250,000 on my Z/28 auto with nary a prob. That would probably be 2 clutches


103 posted on 05/02/2012 5:01:07 PM PDT by Figment
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To: central_va
Ladies and gentlemen the Holy Grail of Manual Transmissions, The Muncie M22 Rock Crusher:

My cousin had one of those in a Buick Skylark GS 455. Dang thing whined like a wife on a small shoe budget.

It's toughness is legendary, though. However, the Ford Toploader has the most rigid case design, which is why Jericho racing transmissions are taken from that design. A big-block Toploader is probably every bit as tough as a Rockcrusher.

The best part about those transmissions is the fact that you'd have to do something spectacularly stupid to really hurt either of them. Modern aluminum-case manuals abound, but I wince at the thought of power-shifting them like I did those old beasts of the Big 3.

104 posted on 05/02/2012 5:01:29 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Figment

I’ve NEVER got more than 175K out of an AT. You got lucky I think. Being in a car when the Tranny blows is a real experience.


105 posted on 05/02/2012 5:03:58 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Charles Martel

FWIW the old Muncies are aluminum case and the (weaker) Saginaws are cast iron case.


106 posted on 05/02/2012 5:10:13 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Red Badger
I’ve seen this same story written over and over about every ten years or so...........

Back in the mid 80s the Army decided nobody could drive manuals anymore, it was a waste of time and money to try and teach recruits, and they went automatics across the board. That was pretty indicative.

107 posted on 05/02/2012 5:14:04 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: central_va

My Jeep GC has an auto-manual. I could get used to one. I want to trade it. I’m looking at a Mercedes 230 and a BMW or Volvo but my son(16) is working me for a straight drive car.


108 posted on 05/02/2012 5:15:33 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: henkster

I learned on an antique fork lift. but I still remember my first time behind the wheel of a car with a stick. I thought it would be a piece of cake since I knew how to drive the fork lift. But forklifts are never driven on hills. That first hill I had to take off from a dead stop was not pretty.


109 posted on 05/02/2012 5:59:29 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Figment

Yes, kinda.

Back then, overdrive was a 2 speed manual transmission bolted onto the back side of the regular transmission. It was kinda like the transfer case on a 4wd pickup except without the drive shaft to the front wheels.

You could have an overdive transmission AND a 2speed rear end...so if you had a 3 speed transmission, plus over drive plus a two speed rear end, you would have 12 theoretical gear ratios. Of course many of them would be useless. You would only have 7 useful gear ratios, I think. Maybe only 5.


110 posted on 05/02/2012 6:25:44 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: truth_seeker

All wheel drive is awesome for straight line zero to sixty times. It sucks for handling, braking, and high speed acceleration...as in, say, 75mph to 150mph. So basically, in the real world it is pretty cool. On a race track, not so much.


111 posted on 05/02/2012 6:29:49 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: ak267

Yes

acura had a super duper model integra at one time with paddles. Ferari had a model at one time with paddles. Those are the only two I know of. There are probably a couple others.


112 posted on 05/02/2012 6:32:57 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Figment

I just remembered another feature of the old overdrive transmissions. It has been nearly 50 years since I had that old 55 so my memory is not that clear.

That feature was “freewheeling’. If the transmission was in overdrive and you took your foot off the accelerator, the car would basically act as if it was in neutral. If you needed to use the gears to decelerate you had to take it out of overdrive.

I am not sure why but probably it was necessary for the overdrive to work properly.

That old 55 would fly. I remember it had a top speed of 110 and it would do that in 3 different gears. 2nd and overdrive, high, and high with overdrive.

My best friend’s Father bought a new 63 galaxy 500 with a 352 and a four barrel. We had a drag race and the old 55 beat it pretty easily.


113 posted on 05/02/2012 6:56:33 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: mamelukesabre

You realize Audi has dominated P1 (top class) in the LeMans series for several years, with quattro (and turbodiesel)?

And soon after quattro was instroduced, it dominated unlimited class, so it got outlawed. 1982 to 1987 Pike’s Peak.

My initial remark was perhaps poorly stated, that modern vehicles are faster than muscle car era smokey, noisy, rubber burning stuff.

IOW to go really fast, not just special effects.

In the real world, if you are seriously interested in performance vehicles, why not get the real thing?


114 posted on 05/02/2012 7:01:35 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: yarddog

A friend of mine had a Studebaker Hawk with an overdrive knob on the dash that had to be pulled I believe. I have no idea how it worked. My only idea as to how it worked was that it was in the rear end and not the transmission itself. But that’s always just been a guess


115 posted on 05/02/2012 7:06:22 PM PDT by Figment
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To: central_va

I know of old 400 turbos doing it too. Not to knock manual trannys, but I’ve not seen clutches last that long unless it was all highway miles


116 posted on 05/02/2012 7:10:20 PM PDT by Figment
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To: central_va

For the first 100K then its dicey with potential a HUGE bill (>$3K) coming your way.

true on the cost. I’ve used teflon fluid in the tranny and differential since the first change. That may have helped


117 posted on 05/02/2012 7:13:23 PM PDT by Figment
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To: truth_seeker
I watched a street race between a 2wd BMW M3, and a Subaru AWD WRX STI. The Subaru won easily.

In the winter my 4x4 m/t Suburban (1990) would beat all sorts of sports cars off the line.

118 posted on 05/02/2012 7:16:31 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Sopater

Wife and I just traded in a big Diesel truck (Six Speed Manual) for a brand new Hyundai Sedan (Six Speed Manual).


119 posted on 05/02/2012 7:17:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: Figment

I do remember that the overdrive was in the rear of the transmission but it was not an addition in that everything was enclosed in the same case.

When I had to replace the transmission, I got another one from a junkyard. I had no idea how they worked but remember Daddy hooking up some wires to the replacement and checking to see if the solenoid worked. Sure enough, every time he would put power to the terminals, the solenoid would click and you could tell it was moving something inside the transmission.


120 posted on 05/02/2012 7:22:06 PM PDT by yarddog
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