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I'm childless at 42 and haunted by the baby I aborted at 18
dailymail.co.uk ^ | April 25, 2012 | KATE SPICER

Posted on 04/25/2012 9:37:08 PM PDT by grundle

Once, at a smart wedding in Northamptonshire when I was about 30, someone handed me a newborn baby and my skin broke out in hot hives.

In Brazil, I met a ten-year-old street kid. I fed him, let him sleep and shower in my hotel room, bought him clothes, and felt an overwhelming desire to protect and nurture him.

I had never before felt such a forceful maternal instinct. These events were profoundly physical reactions, both shocking to me.

Just around the time of my trip to Brazil, the ghost of my never-born came back to haunt me. I began imagining what he might have been like — a tall and sandy-haired boy, who would have been 17 at  the time. I was 35, the age when the  experts say your eggs and fertility start declining.

It’s embarrassing to reveal these visions of my never-born son, and important to understand their significance. This imagined son was not some moral spectre come to punish me; it was my subconscious reminding me to wake up and face reality.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: abortion; cultureofdeath; feminism; moloch; moralabsolutes; narcissism; postabortivewomen; prolife; wreckageofleftism
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1 posted on 04/25/2012 9:37:10 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

So many bought the feminism (I have a career, what more would a baby provide?) Now, they see the freight train coming at them called the nursing home where 75% of the inhabitants are unvisited females. What joy? They are going to sit around and rot and tell each other about their careers? How sad!


2 posted on 04/25/2012 9:42:57 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: grundle
That happens when you kill babies.

/johnny

3 posted on 04/25/2012 9:43:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
I'm grateful that when I am old(er) and (more)decrepit, I'll have 2 daughters to care for me in my waning days.

/johnny

4 posted on 04/25/2012 9:45:29 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: grundle

What a useless piece of self-indulgent tripe. She really doesn’t feel bad about murdering her child. She only cares about herself, still, at age 42.

I’m disgusted.


5 posted on 04/25/2012 9:46:38 PM PDT by Politicalmom (THIS IS NOT A GOP CHEERLEADING SITE!!!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

A generation following liberalism’s call into sinning and suffering is why one of the big ten is “obey your father and your mother.” If the boomers had obeyed their parents, so much sin and suffering would have been avoided for our society.


6 posted on 04/25/2012 9:48:11 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: grundle

To the headline: good


7 posted on 04/25/2012 9:48:28 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: grundle

Abortion is not an eraser.


8 posted on 04/25/2012 9:49:34 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
“...I'll have 2 daughters to care for me in my waning days.”

So long as their names aren't Regan and Goneril ;)

9 posted on 04/25/2012 9:50:25 PM PDT by decal (I'm not rude, I don't suffer fools is all.)
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To: grundle

Kate Spicer

If I might reply, the woman can rest assured the baby she killed is in heaven. Maybe one day she will come to Jesus and then they can meet there.

10 posted on 04/25/2012 9:51:40 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: grundle

Another woman destroyed by an abortion.

Pray for America


11 posted on 04/25/2012 9:54:10 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: decal
I'm no King Lear. ;)

But I do expect my girls to leave a handful of pills and a bottle of Jack on the nightstand to encourage my smooth passage.

/johnny

12 posted on 04/25/2012 9:54:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: grundle

The high price of “choice.”


13 posted on 04/25/2012 9:58:50 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency.)
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14 posted on 04/25/2012 10:03:26 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Politicalmom

I thought the same thing. She never did get that she killed a human being and her life is still all about her emotional comfort.


15 posted on 04/25/2012 10:06:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Politicalmom

>What a useless piece of self-indulgent tripe. She really doesn’t feel bad about murdering her child. She only cares about herself, still, at age 42.
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>I’m disgusted.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw that (and found it off-putting).
Motherhood [and fatherhood] is primarily not about self, it’s about the child (otherwise they wouldn’t be parents).
That said, there’s something wrong with a woman whose only sense of motherhood revolves around ‘I’.


16 posted on 04/25/2012 10:08:21 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SaraJohnson
A generation following liberalism’s call into sinning and suffering is why one of the big ten is “obey your father and your mother.” If the boomers had obeyed their parents, so much sin and suffering would have been avoided for our society.

It wasn't the "boomers" that took God out of our schools. Nor did the "boomers" give us Roe vs. Wade. Our social decay was well on its way when the boomers became of age.

17 posted on 04/25/2012 10:10:11 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Politicalmom
What a useless piece of self-indulgent tripe. She really doesn’t feel bad about murdering her child. She only cares about herself, still, at age 42. I’m disgusted.

Me too. I love this quote:

"Today, I feel more emotional, guilty almost, about that bundle of cells I got rid of. In the bitterest of ironies, that terminated pregnancy remains the sum total of my reproductive history."

Guilty almost? Not a bundle of 'life' or 'love', but 'cells'. What a pig. She can rot.

18 posted on 04/25/2012 10:11:36 PM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Politicalmom

This is real pain she is suffering. Cut her some slack. Without knowing it, she is worried about her soul.


19 posted on 04/25/2012 10:21:46 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

Everybody suffers real pain. She makes bad decisions because everyone has cut her slack all of her life.


20 posted on 04/25/2012 10:24:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Right Brother

A lot of denial here, in all the euphemistic speech so typical of the convinced Feminist who is confronted by reality.God has given her a “dose”of grace. Can she return his gift of love?


21 posted on 04/25/2012 10:25:09 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: grundle

I guess a life without a baby would serve as the just punishment for this baby-murdering slut. She isn’t sorry about murdering at all... just worried about her own feelings.


22 posted on 04/25/2012 10:28:29 PM PDT by sagar
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To: TigersEye

That is not entirely her fault. But if she doesn’t “get it,” but hardens her heart, then in the end she must suffers consequences of her sin.


23 posted on 04/25/2012 10:29:24 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: TigersEye

That is not entirely her fault. But if she doesn’t “get it,” but hardens her heart, then in the end she must suffer consequences of her sin.


24 posted on 04/25/2012 10:29:40 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: grundle

Wow... In the Daily Mail, no less.


25 posted on 04/25/2012 10:30:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RobbyS

No, it is certainly not her fault that her parents and society have cut her slack but she will still face the consequences of her actions even if she was encouraged to make bad decisions. As will we all.


26 posted on 04/25/2012 10:32:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: OneWingedShark

This is what happens when a person does not recognize a force that is bigger and more important than themselves.

That force is God. When we put God first, everything else to include parenting, makes logical sense. Without God, there is nothing more important than self. This is why we have so many sociopathic personalities in America today. This is why we have a society focused on what government can do for them with no thought of future generations or the ethics/morals of taking from others to provide for them. This is why feminist achieved their goals. This is why we have so many dysfunctional families. This is why so many husbands and fathers fail.

My world makes sense when I follow God. When I fail to follow God (place myself above him) it does not work and it’s reflected in every aspect of my life.

I am certain that it is healthy for a human being to believe in something that is bigger than all of us. It provides the perspective that is necessary for a meaningful and fulfilling life. Our Creator designed us that way.


27 posted on 04/25/2012 10:35:19 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

I work with the elderly and one doesn’t have to be childless to be unvisited.


28 posted on 04/25/2012 10:43:32 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

I work with the elderly and one doesn’t have to be childless to be unvisited.


29 posted on 04/25/2012 10:46:08 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: grundle

Wow, there is a lot of hate on this thread.


30 posted on 04/25/2012 10:46:22 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: volunbeer

“This is why so many husbands and fathers fail.”

Excuse me... Since when have husbands and fathers been demanding abortions???


31 posted on 04/25/2012 10:48:23 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: grundle
Today, I feel more emotional, guilty almost, about that bundle of cells I got rid of.

Maybe you're looking in the wrong places for help with that nagging guilt.

32 posted on 04/25/2012 10:52:28 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: volunbeer
My world makes sense when I follow God. When I fail to follow God (place myself above him) it does not work and it’s reflected in every aspect of my life.

Indeed, this is true.
It is to my shame that I am struggling, in fits and starts, and fairly discouraged in my walk with God... and in a macabre/catch-22 way it feeds on itself: wanting to do better, I try [and fail], I beat myself up for thinking I can do it (i.e. not relying on God), then I find myself wanting to do better...

I am certain that it is healthy for a human being to believe in something that is bigger than all of us. It provides the perspective that is necessary for a meaningful and fulfilling life. Our Creator designed us that way.

And it is sad that there is so much noise* drowning out our Creator's call, but then simply because it is effective is why the Enemy would employ the tactic.

* Note: just see what happens when one tries to move something 'broken' back into its proper place; all sorts of "screaming" and crying, sometimes emotional/hysterical & sometimes logical/cold, but 'screaming' nonetheless. You can see this in society WRT firearms; the reason they are all barred in so many places is not because of safety but control, and this control stems from the underlying assumption that "rights" stem from government/society/anything-but-God. It repeats itself in abortion; the unborn cannot be a 'person' (because abortion would then neoclassical be murder) because: "it's a woman's right," "it's part of my body," "it's got abnormalities," "it's settled law," "it can't survive on its own"... again, anything but "a baby is human, made in God's image."

33 posted on 04/25/2012 10:55:25 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: babygene; volunbeer

>>“This is why so many husbands and fathers fail.”
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>Excuse me... Since when have husbands and fathers been demanding abortions???

Is it enough to not demand abortions?
Does not evil flourish when good men do nothing?
And how could a good man conscience this infanticide?

And all the time—such is the tragi-comedy of our [educational*] situation—we continue to clamour for those very qualities we are rendering impossible. You can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement that our civilization needs more ‘drive’, or dynamism, or self-sacrifice, or ‘creativity’. In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests [hearts] and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.
— C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

* Educational because we are TAUGHT by society that these things are of little/negligible/no value.


34 posted on 04/25/2012 11:00:36 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
How many of the 75% have homosexual sons and how many of the 25% have heterosexual sons? How many divorced for their careers? What is the life expectancy comparison?

It would be interesting to know this ratio with the ratio.

What part of “family” didn't they value when they were young?

I came from a very spiritually (christian?) socialist family, but it was still a good family....discipline, nurturing..etc.................you know, wood shed.

Now, I belong to the family of the Lord Jesus Christ....a family.

Feminism is an evil force with the rhetoric of the serpents tongue.

35 posted on 04/25/2012 11:03:46 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: The_Media_never_lie

That depends on what you call hate. I hate to see people delude themselves about their actions. As long as she can’t clearly see that she took a human life she won’t be able to see reality and will have no hope of happiness. I can’t simultaneously hope for her well being and hope she never sees the truth. That is hoping for nothing.


36 posted on 04/25/2012 11:07:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RobbyS; All

“This is real pain she is suffering. Cut her some slack. Without knowing it, she is worried about her soul.”

Like or not, this is the same come-to-Jesus moment many people have had about abortion. Been there myself, unfortunately.

You have one opinion about it when you are 22 and scared.
You have another when you are 45, and wondering what kind of an adult that child would have grown in to.

In the end, this is what the liberal doctrine brings you. Misery and regret. But when you are young, you are only thinking about the NOW, not the future.


37 posted on 04/25/2012 11:09:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: volunbeer

“This is what happens when a person does not recognize a force that is bigger and more important than themselves.”

She DID recognize forces bigger and more important than herself.

Secular Humanism and materialism, fueled by selfishness.


38 posted on 04/25/2012 11:13:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: babygene

Life is not confined to the four corners of an article, essay, or editorial. Don’t you think men impact the decisions of women for the same selfish reasons this lady chose to abort her baby?

Abortion is the result of placing yourself above an innocent life. They value themselves more than the child they conceived. They engaged in behavior that they knew could result in a pregnancy and she, he, or they choose to destroy the consequence out of convenience.

If you don’t think men have a responsibility in the number of abortions you did not understand what I wrote. There are two people responsible for a pregnancy (outside of a lab) and the danger of feminism and “pro-choice” is that men abdicate their responsibility to the woman and the child they fathered for a temporary high.

I know a man who demanded his young girlfriend get an abortion many years ago. It is his biggest regret. I have another friend who found out after the fact and struggles with the result of a decision he was not even aware of. However, he would be the first to tell you that he created the situation.

Examining the root cause of this woman’s decision goes far beyond the “sacred right” foisted on us by the left that makes it a choice based on their foundation that “nothing is bigger than me”. That foundation is found throughout the agenda of the left.


39 posted on 04/25/2012 11:18:37 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
Young women were lied to for decades by the feminist elite, and their enablers in the media and medical professions. They were told to delay childbirth, until their career had been well established -- that they could take their time about getting pregnant. Only recently, has it been revealed to them that it is increasingly difficult (or extremely expensive) to become pregnant after 40. Also, little was said about the increasing probability of birth defects, as the mother ages.
40 posted on 04/25/2012 11:30:33 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: OneWingedShark

I struggle every day because the task is impossible and he told me so. We all have a sinful nature and I fail miserably. However, by his grace, endeavoring to stay centered, and the wisdom of his word, I believe the goal to be certain and I know it is for you also.

I am always dumbstruck that most threads that discuss abortion on this forum fail to mention the responsibility of the other half of the equation. The indoctrination by the left has been terribly effective and it goes far beyond the issue of abortion.

By seperating the responsibility of the male who impregnated his tortured soul, we buy into the dogma of the left to divide us based on sex, race, demographic, and the laws of man/government. This is the world according to man, not God the Creator. God made men and women for his purposes, yet society tells us throughout our life that it’s about career, convenience, whatever feels good, and celebrating ourselves. The left tells us there is nothing more sacred than a woman’s right to choose. Those ideas will never fulfill the very reason for our existence. Those ideas are doomed to fail.


41 posted on 04/25/2012 11:49:07 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: grundle

Maybe the lady already has...

How about we all stop and pray a prayer for her conversion,
repentance and confession to God for her abortion.

I am awful, the link to the Dailymail article. I start
reading the gossip links which run along the side of the
article.

You get sucked in but then feel rather dead after reading a few.


42 posted on 04/25/2012 11:51:25 PM PDT by stpio
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; Goreknowshowtocheat
Young women were lied to for decades by the feminist elite, and their enablers in the media and medical professions. They were told to delay childbirth, until their career had been well established -- that they could take their time about getting pregnant. Only recently, has it been revealed to them that it is increasingly difficult (or extremely expensive) to become pregnant after 40. Also, little was said about the increasing probability of birth defects, as the mother ages.

Very good points.

These liars also reached the young men of that generation, and told them that sex was just for fun, and settling down and gettiing married was a backwards thing to do, a ball and chain on a young life meant for adventure.

Even if a young woman of that generation wanted to get married she had greater problems (than someone of 20 years earlier) in flagging down a young man her own age and steering him toward the altar.

Young people between the ages of 15 and 25 are in their prime courtship and marriage years -- but are they being encouraged in the direction of marriage at all?

Contemporary culture ridicules the woman who wants to conceive and bear a child -- "Oh, her biological clock is ticking." Tsk tsk. At the same time it tells the man, "You can have babies until you're a hundred" -- never mind that an elderly father won't be able to watch his children grow up, and let's not even mention that studies have shown a connection between advanced paternal age and mental disabilities in the children conceived (younger fathers make healthier babies).

The culture that tells men and women that these are their only options is a culture of death, not of life and hope.

43 posted on 04/25/2012 11:51:34 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: volunbeer; OneWingedShark
The left tells us there is nothing more sacred than a woman’s right to choose.

And a man's right to f***.

Pardon my asterisks.

44 posted on 04/25/2012 11:56:07 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: tcrlaf

In the end, this is what the liberal doctrine brings you. Misery and regret. But when you are young, you are only thinking about the NOW, not the future.


Exactly. I would go even further.... we are told this when we are young and many tragically live their entire life believing that. It’s an empty existence.


45 posted on 04/25/2012 11:56:39 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: volunbeer

“There are two people responsible for a pregnancy (outside of a lab)”

There are still a father and a mother, even in a lab situation.

It’s just the father has decided to be naught but a sperm donor. Some father.


46 posted on 04/26/2012 12:01:31 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Politicalmom
What a useless piece of self-indulgent tripe. She really doesn’t feel bad about murdering her child. She only cares about herself, still, at age 42.

You hit the nail right on the head. At the same time, she's overwhelmed with the inward fear that at some point there is going to be retribution for what she's done.

47 posted on 04/26/2012 12:01:51 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: babygene

“Excuse me... Since when have husbands and fathers been demanding abortions???”

Very frequently, in my work at a crisis pregnancy center.

I could just about predict if a baby would be carried to term - that is, if the mom had a baby daddy who wanted her to keep it.

Now, there were a few men trying to save kids that the moms wanted to abort. There were some dads who did not know they were a dad - mom kept it from them. And there were a few moms who rather heroically carried on even though boyfriends but the pressure on them. Sometimes, very harsh pressure.

But they were the exceptions.


48 posted on 04/26/2012 12:04:59 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: rawhide

Boy she’s a happy gal. Real fun to date I bet.


49 posted on 04/26/2012 12:15:57 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: volunbeer

BTW,it is my understanding that fertility in women begins to decline at 27 not 35.Another well kept “feminist” secret. Along with the link between breast cancer and abortion.


50 posted on 04/26/2012 12:19:56 AM PDT by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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