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Dear President Ronald Wilson Reagan, My Party Left Me Too...
My Own Thoughts | 04/20/2012 | DoughtyOne

Posted on 04/20/2012 5:55:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne

...is there life after the Leftists take over?

We have been operating under the rule of "Lesser of Two Evils" for decades.  I have agreed with it.  I now stop to ask folks who have been doing the same thing, has our nation grown stronger over those decades?  At some point we have to be honest with ourselves.  For me, the answer is a clear, "No."  I can't answer for you, but there are many people out there who understand exactly where I'm coming from?


Instead of saying people who continue to do this are wrong, I want to give them something to think about.  Perhaps it will help them see things a little differently.

What we have been trying hasn't worked.  We slide farther left every single year.  At some point this has to stop, or we lose the nation we love no matter which party is in power.  Take a good look at Mitt Romney.  On just one topic alone, I can't vote for him.  He's a gun control advocate.  Once our guns are gone, they're gone.  Bad as that is, it runs much deeper.  I don't need to tell you about all of it.  You know what I'm talking about.  Romney is a blithering idiot when it comes to Conservatism.  Some would say he's lying his ass off.  It would be hard to argue otherwise.

Carter was universally scorned in 1980.  Obama, arguably much worse, isn't.  He is still wildly popular with the Left.  Has our nation changed?  It's my take that it is undeniably worse and in danger of cratering if we don't change direction.  And where is the voice of the loyal opposition?  That's right... crickets.

For this reason, I simply cannot fall back on the lesser of two evils rule of thumb we have always fallen back on.  I say this because IT IS NOT a change of direction.  If that hasn't worked, and it clearly hasn't, what reasoned argument is there for doing it again now?  Well, to my way of thinking there is no reasoned argument other than the ones that have always been used to advocate for it.  And that tactic having failed, the arguments in support of it are unsustainable.

We have tried this and failed.  So now we must come up with something different.  I, for one, will not sit by and continue play the business as usual game.  The Republican party must be made aware that it cannot continue to thumb it's nose at it's core base.

Here's the political spectrum we should be operating under.

1780 [L---------c---------R]

This is the political spectrum that would reveal us to be adhering to our Founding Father's vision and our Founding Documents.  This is precisely what the goal of Conservatives should be, to return to this model, and to do it as rapidly as possible.  Are we trending back toward that model?

I see something like this.

1980 [L---d---r-c---------R] *
1984 [L--d----r-c---------R] *
1988 [L--d---r--c---------R] *
1992 [L--d---r--c---------R]
1996 [L--d---r--c---------R]
2000 [L--d--r---c---------R] *
2004 [L-d--r----c---------R] *
2008 [Ld--r-----c---------R]
2012 [Ld--r-----c---------R]

The sad fact is, we are trending away from Conservatism.  That's why many of us are livid at our nominee this year.  AGAIN!!!!

Here is where we are headed folks.

2016 [Ld--r-----c---------R]
2020 [Ld-r------c---------R]
2024 [Ldr-------c---------R]

Does that look enticing?

With the exception of Ronald Reagan in 1980 - 1988, we have been spoon fed our candidates.  I'm not saying they spoon fed us the exact candidate, but they did take advantage of trends to make sure what types of candidates would get the nomination.  How did the RNC manage that?  It allowed it's primaries to be held under conditions that made it possible for Democrats to participate in the Republican nomination process.  Did anyone think that was going to give us more Conservative candidates?  No, it was a given that we were going to get more Leftists.  And more Leftists we got.

The RNC also continually talked up our more Leftist candidates, and made it clear they frowned on our more Conservative ones.  Look what took place this year.  Rove, Card, other party officials and office holders pushed Romney as hard as they could.

Why would the Republican Party do this?  For some time the leadership has been convinced that the nation was heading Left, and it didn't see any possibility of Conservatives being elected.  Rather than look at our rich history and notice that our widest victories were realized when we played on our differences with Leftist policy, they decided to adopt more Leftist policy in an attempt to look more appealing.  And as this took place, the information dispensed to the public heralding Conservatism ceased.  And as the push for Conservatism ceased, the nation moved farther left.

We are now at the point where our Constitution, Capitalism, and other tenets of a sound Constitutional Republic are scorned.

Look at the graph above, and see how that worked out for us.  Ronald Reagan was our last president who won with a large margin of victory.  Starting with the elder Bush, that margin either disappeared completely or was so razor thin that we had a public perception of a Constitutional crises arise in the aftermath of two elections.

Moving to the Left only assured us that the real Democrats would get support.  Why vote for a moderate Leftist when you can vote for the real thing?  Did the RNC learn anything from McCain?  No.  Here we go again with Rove, Card, and the usual suspects trashing better candidates and singing praises to Romney from the get-go.  What is our hope for the future, with the business as usual approach?  Think of our elections since 1988.

And so we have come to the point in our nation's history, where the Republican party is now willing to promote people who don't give a damn about our sovereignty, our Founding Documents, the sanctity of life, our Second Amendment Rights, and more.  At what point do we admit we have full blown Leftists running for office in our party, and refuse to play along any longer?

If Romney were running as a Democrat there isn't even the remotest of chances that you would vote for the man.  But now, because he's running against Obama, some entertain the thought.  And what happens in 2016, when a member of Hamas runs as a Democrat and The Republican is only as bad as Obama?  Do we then vote for the mirror image of him? 

Look folks, at some point we have to let the (R) party know, that they have jumped the shark, and we can no longer support what they want us to.  You see, if we don't, we'll forever be voting for McCains, Romneys, and worse of their ilk. 

If they can get a Leftist like Romney elected, it's effectively the end of Conservatism.  No Conservative will ever get the nomination again.  Should that be our goal?  No.

Why do I say that there will never be another Conservative nominee in the future?  Take a look at this election cycle, and realize it only gets worse from here if Romney can get elected without the Conservative vote.

I hope you'll join me in sending a message to the Republican party.  That message states these things...

1. I will not vote for Leftists(R)
2. I will no longer support the perpetual movement of this nation to the Left
3. I will no longer remain an active member of the Republican Party as long as it fails to support a return to Constitutional governance
4. If you want my support and the support of other Constitutional Conservatives, you'll talk up people who share our ideals, and criticize those who do not share them
5. You will seek to change rules and tighten up processes thus enabling more Constitutional Conservatives to win elections
6. Failing that, adios...


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To: No One Special
Another key: conservatives are not good leaders or followers because they just want to be left alone, but, we need leaders and an army.

Our founders created a system where the individual that wanted to make his own way in the world could do just that and be protected from the "collective". The system's final safe guard was supposed to be the SCOTUS. The SCOTUS was to be the watch dog so the individual could concentrate on his own life and not have to constantly look over their shoulder to see how the statist were creeping up on him/her. This system allows personal productivity to skyrocket, buy alas it has never worked. THe SCOTUS has been a dismal failure since the beginning.

51 posted on 04/21/2012 4:10:11 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Bravo !

                           
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52 posted on 04/21/2012 5:49:01 AM PDT by tomkat (...shall NOT be abridged)
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To: central_va

The purpose of our three-headed system is to divide power in order to protect individual rights. In that sense, none of the parts is final IMHO. The final protection is the very fact that “We the People” are sovereign, the very thing that makes America “exceptional”. It is and always has been our duty to be vigilant to protect gainst a day when it is necessary to reclaim our rights thru something other than the ballot box. We are our own final guardians. We are the ones we have been waiting for. Did I just say that? :-)


53 posted on 04/21/2012 6:56:46 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: DoughtyOne

Don’t ignore the role played by the media.

An unbiased, fair media would and should keep ALL political hopefuls in line. If a candidate had any skeletons in the closet, we would know about them, if the MSM hadn’t been corrupted.

Now, we have a Leftist media (the Big Media, anyway) that goes to great lengths to PREVENT us from knowing any dirt about their loved ones. Have we ever seen that video the LA Times refused to release during the 2008 contest? Obummer should have never made it past the 2008 primaries, but for the loving assistance of the MSM.

Also, the Leftist media quickly attacks and obliterates any Conservative who dares raise his or her head. Just look at Herman Cain for recent proof. They must be rummaging through trash cans trying to find something, anything, to pin on Allen West.

Not enough people get their news through the alternative media, like we do.


54 posted on 04/21/2012 7:05:07 AM PDT by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. — Robert Heinlein)
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To: DoughtyOne

Welcome to the United Soviet States of America..where the Pravda State Media “vet” the candidates to the pleasure and needs of the RinoCrat UniParty.

This “election” will be a non-election...featuring the state approved “candidates”-whose only distinction is whether they are black or white.

The “two-PARTEY” system merely means that the R & D in DC gang up on Flyover Country....and laugh all the way to the bank as they do so


55 posted on 04/21/2012 7:09:12 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: DNME
An unbiased, fair media would and should keep ALL political hopefuls in line. If a candidate had any skeletons in the closet, we would know about them, if the MSM hadn’t been corrupted.

If, God forbid, Romney gets the election, the MSM will make sure and drag every skeleton associated with him out into the light of day, there's no doubt about that.

It's just a shame that the MSM wanted Mitt so bad that they held off on exposing him in the primaries while gleefully going after any and all Conservatives.
56 posted on 04/21/2012 7:22:42 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr; DoughtyOne

The MSM has become our worst enemy. All we get from them is lies and propaganda.


57 posted on 04/21/2012 10:06:38 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DNME; DoughtyOne

” Now, we have a Leftist media (the Big Media, anyway) that goes to great lengths to PREVENT us from knowing any dirt about their loved ones. Have we ever seen that video the LA Times refused to release during the 2008 contest? Obummer should have never made it past the 2008 primaries, but for the loving assistance of the MSM.”

The entire MSM covered up for Obama!


58 posted on 04/21/2012 10:08:39 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All

” Why would the Republican Party do this? For some time the leadership has been convinced that the nation was heading Left, and it didn’t see any possibility of Conservatives being elected. Rather than look at our rich history and notice that our widest victories were realized when we played on our differences with Leftist policy, they decided to adopt more Leftist policy in an attempt to look more appealing. And as this took place, the information dispensed to the public heralding Conservatism ceased. And as the push for Conservatism ceased, the nation moved farther left.”

Take a look at the fossils we have in the House & Senate. They have been there for decades. All they care about is themselves. We need TERM LIMITS, so these people don’t get too comfortable and come to believe that their office belongs to them!!

Lugar age 80

Hatch age 78......still RUNNING!!


59 posted on 04/21/2012 10:17:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Where is everybody?

Sheesh..


60 posted on 04/21/2012 1:33:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Very good column.

In view of what the Republican Party has served up as candidates for 1992, 1996, 2008, and 2012, I don’t think it deserves any more support from us. The Republican Party no longer represents us. Time to look elsewhere.


61 posted on 04/21/2012 7:24:32 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: DoughtyOne

Okay, I had some other things to attend to yesterday. I’ll try to respond to everyone now. I have another event this evening, so I may not get to everyone. I will eventually...


62 posted on 04/22/2012 10:25:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Seems like it doesn’t it...


63 posted on 04/22/2012 10:25:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

This does have to stop. I like your comment about one party and two faces. That’s about it.


64 posted on 04/22/2012 10:28:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: W. W. SMITH

No matter what the real case, he sure isn’t one of us. That’s for sure.


65 posted on 04/22/2012 10:29:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: W. W. SMITH

W. W. Smith, I agree with you. The gray text is what someone said to me. The blue is my response.


66 posted on 04/22/2012 10:31:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: IronJack

Thank you IronJack. Good to see your post. So far, no kevlar briefs needed. I think it’s becoming rather obvious to everyone what’s going on.


67 posted on 04/22/2012 10:34:42 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: af_vet_rr

I agree with your thinking here. I like how you addressed it.

Another way of looking at it is this.

When a Democrat is installed, they put their heart and soul into turning this nation to the Left. They’re not bashful about it. They push with all their might.

When a Republican is installed, they put their heart and soul into keeping the nation in place. Oh they may talk about some good moves, but they rarely do anything to make them become a reality. Instead they even propose Leftist gems and put them into law.

Until we get some presidents in there who will push for rolling back Leftist legislation with all their might, we going nowhere. Strike that, we’re going to lurch and slip to the Left just like we have been.


68 posted on 04/22/2012 10:45:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Rex Anderson

Thank you Rex. I appreciate the nice comments. I don’t always get it right. I do strive to be above average getting it right. ;^)

Rock bottom? Not really. We merely have to stand up to the Republican party until we can get someone who will reverse our course. Otherwise, there’s no point of supporting their candidates.

When Reagan left office, I honestly thought this nation was on course to be safe for another fifty years. To say I’m socked to see it slide so rapidly is a vast understatement.

I don’t think the leaders and peoples of nation about to fall, are ever abundantly aware of it before it happens. I am not convinced we are any different.

We are living in dangerous times.


69 posted on 04/22/2012 10:51:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: hope

Hope, I have remained a party member in the effort to help select better candidates. I have been strongly tempted to jump ship. Frankly, I think it would be an important message to send to the leadership, if most Republicans would simply change their party affiliation to Independent.

I’m 60 now. I’ve spent the last 42 years in the party. This is what it has led to.


70 posted on 04/22/2012 10:54:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: W. W. SMITH

Thanks for the note of agreement.

The nibbles at our freedoms are quickly becoming big bites. I am inclined to agree with your thoughts.

I’m am not sure some of these candidates even understand what they are. There’s a tendency to downplay the black side of your nature when you do things that are wrong. Romney probably sees himself as some sort of moderate Republican, when he’s really more of a card carrying Leftist.

As long as we can see him for who he is, that’s what matters. I won’t be supporting the guy.


71 posted on 04/22/2012 11:01:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Well done.  Thank you.

Whomever it was that told you conservatives aren’t in the majority hasn’t seen repeated polling that shows Americans identify themselves, in the main, as center-right. They’re concerned for their families and their well-being, they are concerned that runaway spending is selling them up the river, and they want to feel safe in their homes and the country generally.

That's such an important point.   It's the answer for appealing to not only the public at large, it's also the key to appealing to minorities.  This is the bread and butter message.

The Republican Party refuses with all its being to cater to these people. Instead, they go along to get along, get invited to all the right parties, and ride the gravy train in the seats right behind the engineers in the Democrat Party.

Exactly.

Should Mutt Romney be elected President, we won’t get a chance to even try to nominate a conservative candidate until 2020 — at which time, the Republic may well be either destroyed or damaged beyond repair.

Yep, 2020.  And if he has a beast of a vice-president, it will be hard going in 2020 too.

I’m not going to support that by voting for Romney simply because he has an “R” by his name. I’ll fight like hell for conservatives at every level of the downticket, but Mutt can take a long walk off a short dock.


Bingo!

72 posted on 04/22/2012 11:15:48 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: ansel12
Hope you're having a good day Ansel12.

73 posted on 04/22/2012 11:20:03 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: No One Special

conservatives are not good leaders or followers because they just want to be left alone.
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Conservatives also tend to think like engineers, they will work hard to fix something and then expect it to remain fixed and not need any further attention. Meanwhile the Democrats, leftists, communists will be like termites attacking the foundations, weakening the entire structure. It is in their very nature, they can not stop chewing at the foundation. This is why when communists consolidate power, their first action is to eliminate their fellow travelers especially the academics, because they can not stop chewing.


74 posted on 04/22/2012 11:20:03 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: af_vet_rr

The MSM wanted Mitt so bad because he is such an obvious loser against Obama. That is why they have not attacked him in the primaries, they are waiting for the general.


75 posted on 04/22/2012 11:33:36 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: mnehring
I think you are missing one big thing here. A lot of people here may not like it, but it is just my opinion. (I've been considering writing a vanity on this for a while).  Okay, lets see...

Conservatives have failed Reagan. Reagan was not a victorious Conservative because he was a champion of the government fixing problems for Conservatives. On the contrary, he taught us the scariest words in the English language: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Reagan simply reminded us that the greatness in the United States comes not from the government, but from her people. Reagan said unleash that greatness.  Okay, but so far I'm not getting what I've supposedly missed.  Is this not inherent with a move back to the Right?  It's my take that both of us think it is.

Have we unleashed greatness?  In my opinion, no. Once again, I'm not convinced we're at odds here.  Of course we haven't.  We've been enslaving our citizens to the federal government's whims.  This is something that would be corrected, with a move back toward the right.  Dismantling the encroaching government is the ultimate goal.  Do any of us disagree with this?  What was the ultimate emphasis of my comments at the top of this thread, if not this?

We took a few years of believing in the greatness that Reagan reminded us of and instead of nurturing greatness within ourselves, we kept looking at politicians to help.  That sounds all well and good, but who has the power to strike down Leftist legislation?  Do you?. If so, do it and lets be done with it.  It is our federal elected Representatives that have this power.  And controling who gets access to that power is the perview of the Republican party at present.  Therefore it is our duty to beat it over the head until it gets Conservative religion.  That will serve to unleash what you want to have unleashed.

Don’t get me wrong, there were moments. The Tea Party seemed on the verge of restoring people’s faith in themselves. And while they did stand for Conservative policies, once again they missed the principle; stopping with wanting someone from the government who is here to help. Look, I'm willing to support the Tea Party, the Republican Party, and any other party even the Democrat Party IF that particular party sets it's goal to reduce the size and impositions of our federal government.

Let me run this by you, so you'll understand where I'm coming from.  For the Tea Party to be successful in what you want it to do, it's members will still have to be elected to office in Washington, D. C.  That's because their numbers in sufficint strength would be needed to roll back Leftist legislation.  I hear what you are saying about power in Washington, D. C. vs the general citizen and all, but our government being there, that is where the oppressive federal government must be countered.

Does that start with the grass roots?  Sure.  What are we if not the grass roots?  And where does public opinion begin to change, if not with the voicing of thoughts from people in our midst?  Am I not advocating for the unleashing of our citizens here?


We would not have Obamacare if a majority in this country did not fouind the thought of having their butt wiped by the government appealing.  Pardon my change here.  I think this is what you meant.  I agree with this thought, if this is in fact what you meant.  Once again though, we're looking at Leftist legislation that must be struck down by our Representatives in Washington, D. C.

Do you get what I'm saying?  Either we find a way to change the direction the RNC wants to take us in, or we develop a new party and get their elected officials to do it.  One way or another, this must wind up being addressed federally.

Please don't mistake this as calling for the Federal Government to rescue us.  NO!  It is the exact opposite.  It is demanding that the Federal Government STOP rescuing us.  The Federal Government must get the hell out of our daily lives.  That is the unleashing that Reagan was advocating for.  Let's look at what you said again.


Conservatives have failed Reagan. Reagan was not a victorious Conservative because he was a champion of the government fixing problems for Conservatives. On the contrary, he taught us the scariest words in the English language: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Reagan simply reminded us that the greatness in the United States comes not from the government, but from her people. Reagan said unleash that greatness.

Who failed Reagan?  Conservatives?  No, not at all.  Liberal Republicans did.  Conservatives have been admonishing the Leftist RNC to get back on track, and the RNC has been telling us to screw off.

No Reagan was not victorious due to being the champion of the government fixing problems for us.  None the less, it was Reagan who tried to put a more Conservative slant on things and thereby did do something to help us.  Please don't confuse demanding the government strike down Leftist legislation and programs, with demanding the government start more of them for us.  Reagan very much did support the government doing things for us.  That's why he got elected.  He ran for public office to END some of the Leftist things the government was doing.  That is something good the government can do for us, and we must demand this.  If he didn't believe in doing that, he wouldn't have run for office.
  Should we advocate for the government doing more for us?  Hell no.  That's not what I am advocating for at all.  I am advocating for it to do far less, between 85 and 90% to be exact.

The GOP”e” can’t give us their “e” candidate if it weren’t for millions of individual people voting for that “e” candidate. We can’t even really blame Democrats crossing over. Republicans and Democrats voting for non-Conservative candidates are a failure of Conservatives joining in the cheer of looking for someone from the government who is here to help instead of communicating individual Conservativism.

Once again, Conservatives don't join in to do this.  Leftists do.  Please don't address Conservatives as having a contingent that are Leftists.  That animal DOES NOT exist.  Once you advocate for Leftist candidates or policy, you're a Leftist, NOT a Conservative.  You may be a Leftist Republican, but you are NEVER a Leftist Conservative.

I understand what you are trying to say here, but the way you're wording it, it's not working for me.  I don't think it would work for you either, if you understood what it says to me.

If every private sector person in this nation was Conservative, they could not change our government's legislation.  It will always be the case, that groups of elected officials must join to strike down Leftist legislation.  Demanding government take these corrective measures is not evil.  Ronald Reagan would endorse this 100%.


We ARE NOT asking the government to do more.  We ARE asking it to do far less.  That is good.

We need, for the lack of a better term, a revival. We need an awakening that the answer doesn’t come from the next election or the next politician.

One of these days you need to post a long explanation of what you envision being a stronger better government than the one we have, because you're laying waste to the one we have with your comments here.  We don't need to try to elect good people with an election?  Say what?  Oh yes we do.

The answer comes when 300 million people stand up to 300 politicians and say, enough, we don’t need you. We won’t accept your help or your promises.

We are a Constitutional Republic.  We do need sound federal officials.  Saying we don't is tantamount to saying our Founding Fathers were idiots, and our Founding Documents are worthless pieces of paper.  Do we need Leftist federal officials?  No.  Do we need federal officials that would turn back the Leftist legislation?  Undoubtedly.  Ronald Reagan never advocated for anything more or less.  That's what he was doing.

The only way that will happen is if people start living individual Conservativism in their own homes first. Then, take it to their neighbors, their friends, and their family. In essence, it is a philosophical Going Galt.

Okay, and when we're no longer a Constitutional Republic, then what?

You talk about voting for the lesser of two evils, but how often does politics give us any different. It is the very nature of politics. It attracts people who want to control others. Maybe once in a lifetime we get a statesman who doesn’t fit that mold, but they are so rare, we should never expect it. If you want someone who isn’t a ‘lesser evil’ you won’t find it in DC or wanting any hall of leadership. They are found leading businesses, in operating rooms, raising children, even bagging your groceries. That is the greatness of this country. Not politicians from the government, here to help.

It sounds to me as if what you advocate for in the end, is no government whatsoever.  That is impractical.  The Holy Trinity itself is a form of governance.

I understand your motives, and I'm sure we agree about many things, but disolving our federal government is not one of them.  It has become wicked, but cutting off our nose to spite our face is defeatist.  We must work to get a majority of Conservative minded people elected to public office.  We must get the government out of our lives, the Lefist legislation rolled back, the Leftist give-aways eliminated.  To that end, I have taken the Republican party to task.  I am never going to suggest we don't need any leadership whatsoever, because that is the reality of local, state, and federal communities.

Some form of leadership is required.  It's alway going to be government, no matter what name you chose to call it.

Sadly, I saw someone on this very site, who everyone respects recently say “I am not a leader”. This is the core of our problems. We are looking outward for leaders from the government who is here to help. We need to wake up and realize, we are all leaders. It is our responsibility to make the country Conservative, not some guy from the government who is here to help.

You have just made the case for us not needing a government, and then you lament the fact that one person refuses to think of himself as a leader, as the core of our problem.

You have been advocating for a society with no leaders.  Now you want leaders?  You have been advocating for people to be Conservative, but not advocate for leaders who could help.  LOL, you're all over the map.


So I’m sorry Mr. and Mrs. Conservative. You are a leader, whether you like it or not. Now lead. But lead people away from DC, not to it. D.C. is not the promised land of a future leader, it is our slave-master of Egypt we should get away from.

Horse pucky.

Who do you suggest be in charge of our military, it's generals, when the military will be used, and when that use will be outside our shores, so we don't have to fight here on our soil again and again.

Who do you suggest hold the nuclear football?  Should we just pass the thing around to individual citizens every 45 days?  Who decides which citizen?

Who represents our views overseas?  Do we simply disappear from the international stage, our interests not presented or defended there?

Some form of government is required for these and other important things. 

Reasoned trade policies need to be devised and implemented.  Do we simply contact other governments as individuals, and form 310 million individual trade policies with them?

Do 310 million different voices negotiate individual agreements with people like Kadaffy, the leadership of China, Syria, North Korea and others?

I realize that it is important to read books, and there are a number of excellent ideas presented in Ayn Rands books.  You still can't toss everything overboard and watch 310 million people go postal individually.  In the end you still wind up with local government.  Rather than watch local government go south, you'll have regional government.  Rather than watch those go south, you'll have a federal government.

China lobs five nuclear weapons across the Pacific onto our shores.  Our response?  Wait just a few weeks or months, we need to hold a national vote on what to do.

Fix the government we've got.  End of story.

Until a better government is spelled out in precise deatail, I'm sticking with our Founding Fathers and Founding Documents.

You can build the best steel framework a man can for a new structure.  If the rest of the crew comes along and puts in sub-par plumbing, electrical, dry-wall, cement, and other fixtures, the structure will not last long.

We have nobody to blame but ourselves for not demanding more of our secondary contractors.  Remove them from the job site, and replace them with sound craftsmen.

They'll get the job done right.


If I'm misreading you here, please correct me.

 ::rant off::


76 posted on 04/22/2012 1:43:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: W. W. SMITH

I hear ya...

It’s going to take some Republicans thinking more about the state of our nation than the welfare of one party.


77 posted on 04/22/2012 1:45:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: LUV W

You’re probably not going to like this, but I did want you to get a chance to see it and disagree.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2874680/posts?page=76#76


78 posted on 04/22/2012 1:47:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Theodore R.

Okay, then never-mind. LOL

I hear ya...


79 posted on 04/22/2012 1:47:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: SueRae

Thanks SueRae. I look forward to your follow-up.


80 posted on 04/22/2012 1:49:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Combat_Liberalism

In consideration of that, I am declaring that I won’t vote for Obama either.

Thinking people will obviously see this as a vote for Romney.


81 posted on 04/22/2012 1:52:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Nea Wood

Thank you Nea. I can’t say it’s going to be pleasant heading into another general election where I can’t support either presidential candidate. It stinks.


82 posted on 04/22/2012 1:53:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: All

I have to go out now, so it will likely be tomorrow before I can follow up more.

Sorry.


83 posted on 04/22/2012 2:02:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: W. W. SMITH
The MSM wanted Mitt so bad because he is such an obvious loser against Obama. That is why they have not attacked him in the primaries, they are waiting for the general.

Agreed. The MSM has just tossed a few softballs towards Romney. When you look at what they did to Bachmann, Cain, Perry, and tried to do to Gingrich, and you look at all of Romney's baggage, it's very clear they want Romney in the general, because Romney's campaign would have been easy to sink before now. Romney gave them plenty of debate gaffes, and they still went easy on him.

It's depressing how easy it will be for the MSM to destroy Romney.
84 posted on 04/22/2012 2:13:43 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: DoughtyOne
When a Republican is installed, they put their heart and soul into keeping the nation in place. Oh they may talk about some good moves, but they rarely do anything to make them become a reality. Instead they even propose Leftist gems and put them into law.

Until we get some presidents in there who will push for rolling back Leftist legislation with all their might, we going nowhere. Strike that, we’re going to lurch and slip to the Left just like we have been.


The thing that bothers me is that some people are okay with somebody like Romney, but they fail to realize that we are running out of time, and that if we don't get people in there who will actively oppose the leftist legislation and try and roll back that legislation and roll back the size of the government, we're finished.

We're driving towards a cliff called "Socialism". Obama wants to floor it. Romney wants to go there at a slower pace, and it's exasperating that many Republicans are okay with that. They don't understand that whether you go off the cliff at 70mph with Obama at the wheel, or you go off the cliff at 10mph with Romney at the wheel, you're still going off the cliff.
85 posted on 04/22/2012 2:19:19 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: W. W. SMITH

That’s interesting. I had always wondered why the purges. That maks a lot of sense. Perhaps a corollary is they want a static world, one with no change and no hope. How ironic. How Big Lieish. Or perhap they’re just power loving narcissists.


86 posted on 04/22/2012 2:48:14 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: W. W. SMITH

There’s a reason the libs are more politically active. It’s because they get paid for it: teachers, Acorn, Planned Parenthood, etc. Conservatives have nothing like this. Conservatives have REAL jobs. REAL jobs do not include political activism in the job description. REAL jobs are not subsidized by tax dollars. But the consevative idea of government incorporates a solution for this problem. Just cut the size and scope of government.

Return to the founder’s Constitution while laughing at the silly libs.


87 posted on 04/22/2012 3:20:00 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: gunsequalfreedom
You make a great point about the next election. If Romney wins this one we have Romney as the choice for eight years as.prez..

I'm not so sure. If Romney wins, then at 12:01pm on January 20th, the DemocRATs will declare "It's Romney's economy now!" and the media will begin blaming Romney for the state of affairs. Our economy will sink like the Titanic, and in 2016 the DemocRATs will come roaring back with the message "We TOLD you SO!" Hey, maybe Obama will run in 2016!

88 posted on 04/22/2012 4:37:32 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’ll be voting downticket and supporting conservative candidates with my dwindling $$ in whatever capacity I can. More like Allen West, Tim Scott, Sam Rohrer, these are the guys who will generate the pieces of legislation. We need the Senate in addition to holding the house. Repeal 0bamacare, reverse the Bush tax cut expiration and quit the overspending a get a real plan on the table. I’m with the candidates that will do that. If Romney is to be the candidate, he can do it without my support...but if we have majorities in both houses, he wil go along with that. I’m backing Newt in Tuesday’s Pa. primary. And I’m curious as to why Romney showed up with him here in Lancaster...is Romney considering him for VP??? It was a curious move. I like Rubio but he has to serve at east one term in the Senate. Same for West in the House. Newt would be a good fit if he doesn’t have a chance at the top spot. I’m still not convinced that he’s through. I suppose we’ll knw more after Tuesday...


89 posted on 04/22/2012 6:54:50 PM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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To: af_vet_rr; DoughtyOne

You must have read (or have always been reading) an article posted on FR a few days ago. A very good read from what seems ike an eternity ago. Posting here again for those who may have missed it..

http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/the-popular-conservatives


90 posted on 04/22/2012 7:09:27 PM PDT by SueRae (Tale of 2 Towers - First, Isengaard (GOP-e), then, the Tower of Sauron on 11.06.2012)
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To: COBOL2Java

Here I thought I was so smart and then you come up with another perfectly plausible other possibility. Guess that is what this forum is all about, an exchange of ideas.


91 posted on 04/22/2012 9:27:23 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: All

To those of you who responded to me and haven’t been addressed yet, I apologize. I’ve been much busier than I thought I was going to be, thanks to my wife, so please accept my apology. I will try to respond to as many of you as I can right now.

First of all, thank you for your responses and patience.


92 posted on 04/25/2012 12:39:03 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: Ron C.
"is there life after the Leftists take over?"

Yeah, but it's mighty oppressive. Truly, today there isn't a 'dimes worth of difference between a Democrat and a Republican.'  I will say that at the very least, you sure have to look fairly hard for the differences.

But I lay the blame for that squarely on the 98.5 percent of those who call themselves 'conservative' that have never once attended a local district GOP meeting, much less their county or state meetings - or even a local politically active conservative club meeting.  I think you're being charitable.  I'd peg it more like 99.75%, but why quibble?  I've read down below and see that this is touched on one or more times below.  I'll address it here.

I don't think you're off base for addressing this.  I understand what motivates you and think that to admirable.  None the less, I have found this to be an iffy at best suggestion.  Having said that, I want you to know that I am a big offender here.  Let me explain why.

I have talked to some older long term Republican people who have been active in the California Republican Party.  I have talked to people who are active today.  Their stories make it rather clear that their efforts were not appreciated, and that Conservative advancement was thwarted at the local chapter all the way up to the state level, and even from beyond if need be.

As I understand it, the rank and file are fairly solidly Conservative.  It's the leadership that sucks.  I am told that at one point some years back, the California leadership was changed to include a good solid Conservative at the helm.  When this was achieved, the RNC sent out a team to reorganize the state party, ejecting the Conservative from the helm.

So what do we do about that?  You are more in tune with these local Republican groups.  What has your experience been?

I have seen Pete Wilson go out and court people like Schwarzenegger.  I've seen Meg Whitman courted.  I've seen the California leadership stab people like Gubenatoral Candidate Simon in the back.

Is it worth my time to get involved?  It's a serious issue for me.

I would actually like to hear you provide some positive reinforcement for getting more involved.  I'm certainly not completely against it.  I just see some problems there too.  Convince me I'm wrong.


But, more than that, I also blame 'Christians' that attend a church regularly where political issues are rarely if ever mentioned - and active participation in political activism is often openly discouraged.  From my perspective, Christian churches have in many cases become non-judgemental to the point of standing for not much of anything.  Homosexuality, once the bain of any Christian congregation, has now in many instances been allowed to exist in the midst of the "the faithful".  I mention this one tenet not because it's the worst thing that can happen, but because it ranks right up there and is a fairly reasoned marker that documents the existance of or lack of moral slide.  This isn't an attempt to state something positive or negative about homosexuals.  It is an attempt to address the change in morality, even in our religious institutions.

So as we look at what is taking place in religion, the moral decay if you will, we shouldn't be surprised that other stands are not taken, specifically with regard to political matters.

I do agree with your observations, and your take on institutional malfeasance, if you will.


W. W. SMITH says, "and when they are not prodded into thinking about the difference between parties will end up voting stupid" - which assumes a verifiable and significant difference, which has existed more starkly in the not distant past - but which has faded with the lack of interest in keeping that difference alive at the local district level.  I agree here.

Los Angeles CA has a lot of registered Republican voters, many who claim to be 'very conservative' - but, less than .001 percent of them darken the doors of the many GOP county meetings that take place monthly.  I don't doubt you're fairly accurate here.  I'm still not convinced that's why we wind up with Richard Reardons or our old friends Huffington, Schwarzenegger, or Whitman.

Recently of those 'Republicans' that do show up, near half of them are liberal, and they verge on being able to outvote the slim conservative majority.  Tell you what.  You're out of my district, but I'll gladly attend a few meetings with you, so that I can observe what goes on there.  After that I'll start attending my own local meetings, perhaps some others outside my area.  I'm tired of what is taking place in this fine state.  I'd like to see it change.  I would like to invite anyone who would like to, to join me in attending these meetings.

Hence, I must take strong exception to much of what is said on this forum by many. They've not fought for conservatism themselves - posting here doesn't cut-the-mustard. You know, I see this said fairly often on the forum.  I understand what motivates some folks to say this, but there isn't one chance out of a million I will play down the importance of voicing sound policy in public.  Seeing sound policy, others realize they are not alone with their own thoughts.  I think it's admirable to encourage others to become physically active with meetings, but I don't see value in talking negatively about folks who share your views.  And if they don't, then it's your duty to reason with them and explain how they are wrong.

They need to get out of the house and go fight for a conservative GOP where they live. If they won't, they haven't a leg to stand on when they complain here.
  As someone who complains here, I have two legs and the U. S. Constitution to stand on.

It might be of some benefit to you, to study up on our nation's founding, where written communications preceded any formal action on our patriot's part.  Is it your contention that our Founding Fathers didn't have a leg to stand on either, prior to the rebillion?


93 posted on 04/25/2012 1:23:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: PapaNew

That was a nice presentation. It must have been presented a long time ago, because today he would be shouted down before he could present his thoughts to the students.

Reagan, presentations like this, there are far too few of them. And there actually being a party that is supposed to believe in this, I have to ask why?


94 posted on 04/25/2012 1:34:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Well, then you and I sat that last one out together.

I wish I could tell you there was a great third party out there. I believe the Constitution party might be worth your study, but I don’t want you to see this as an endorsement.

Frankly, the third parties being so remote from having a chance, I don’t study them much.


95 posted on 04/25/2012 1:37:05 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

BTW: Thanks for the compliment.


96 posted on 04/25/2012 1:37:31 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thanks SJB. Sorry to have been so tardy with my response.

Yes, wouldn’t it be refreshing to see a Republican actually tout who and what we are. Imagine having to lament the lack of it. It’s just plain crazy that we don’t see it routinely.


97 posted on 04/25/2012 1:40:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: PapaNew

I will come back to this. I don’t have thirty minutes right now, and I’d like to view the whole clip.


98 posted on 04/25/2012 1:42:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: CodeToad

Thank you CodeToad. I know a lot of people share your view on this, but I’m not one of them. If it did come down to Newt, I would vote for him.


99 posted on 04/25/2012 1:43:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: CodeToad

Actually, he is for another amnesty, not an amnesty.

Not interested. If he wants to hand our nation over to 100 million new foreign immigrants in under 20 years, he’ll do it without my support.


100 posted on 04/25/2012 1:45:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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