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To: snarkytart

No I am seeing the big picture.

No Doubt the race hustlers are out trying to cause the same old rabble they always do, but that doesn’t mean that Zimmerman has no culpability.

Sharpton, Jackson, Et Al are idiots, but they have always been idiots.

However, just because they are idiots does not mean Zimmerman has no culpability in the situation his actions helped create. He’s likely going to face manslaughter charges and he should.

Has nothing to do with the MSM, or Obama, or Jackson, has to do with the law. No doubt its a difficult case, but its not one that is without merit. 2 fundamental facts are out there, Zimmerman killed the kid, and that would not have happened had he not decided to take matters into his own hands and escalate things.

The cops who originally wanted him charged, before anyone knew the name of the guy or his victim, yes, they were all racists and race baiters (Rolling Eyes).. Be serious will you. DA makes final call on whether to press charges, but that doesn’t mean the DA has no oversight, or cannot be overruled by others.

The DA made a bad call from the get go IMHO. Now whether this guy winds up convicted, who knows, but he should stand trial for his actions. Personally I think he will be convicted, and not because of race hustlers, but because he made a series of horrifically dumb decisions that lead to the death of another human being.


228 posted on 04/11/2012 12:39:55 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

“but because he made a series of horrifically dumb decisions that lead to the death of another human being.”

Your logic is horribly flawed. Are you contending that because person x initiates event A, in a series of events (A, B, C, D, E), he is ultimately responsible for event E?

If I sell a hammer to someone who lends it to a friend, and that friend uses it to bash someone’s head in am I responsible?

In the context of this case, if Zimmerman leaves his vehicle, loses Martin, and is assaulted on his way back to his truck is he responsible for Martin’s death?


242 posted on 04/11/2012 12:49:36 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: HamiltonJay
.....does not mean Zimmerman has no culpability in the situation his actions helped create.

What situation did he (Zimmerman) help to create?

If you saw a suspicious person in your neighborhood and kept an eye on him is that creating a situation?

If he attacks you, have your rights to self defense somehow been negated because you were watching him?

Isn't this the Government that keeps telling us over and over, in fact it is their slogan, if you see something say something?

Or does that only appy to White, Christian, returning Military Vets?

250 posted on 04/11/2012 12:52:16 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: HamiltonJay

What is the LEGAL standard for culpability?

If a woman goes outside wearing something besides a burqa is she culpable for a Muslim man’s rape of her - because her actions helped create that situation? I guess any gal who gives a guy a hard-on will have to end up in prison because - after all - her actions created his arousal.

This is standard sharia philosophy. It’s also the standard excuse for abusers of every kind.

The law considers aggravating circumstances as a reason to lessen the guilt of someone. So that if Trayvon was accused of assaulting Zimmerman, Trayvon could receive a lesser charge because it was AGGRAVATED assault. But unless they’re going to charge Zimmerman with either stalking or hitting Trayvon first, the whole “he was asking for it” bit doesn’t fly.


255 posted on 04/11/2012 12:54:54 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: HamiltonJay

In the 1980s in Fullerton, California (site of the infamous police beating recently) a black man killed a white man in a parking lot outside a nightclub. The facts of the case were not in dispute. Eyewitnesses saw the man strike the other, and the one punch either struck the victim in the temple, causing instant brain trauma, or the man’s head hit the curb as he fell. I can’t remember exactly. In any event, he died at the hands of the other.

What precipitated the fight was an altercation inside the nightclub. There were accusations of racial slurs toward the black man, and alcohol was involved. The two “took it outside.” The man who killed the other was a reserve QB on the Titan team, back in the days when CSUF had a football team.

No charges were filed against the survivor of the fight. The DA said it was a fair fight, with both parties responsible for the events. Yet, I saw a “situation his actions helped create.” Do you agree charges should have been filed in that case, or just in Zimmerman’s?


257 posted on 04/11/2012 12:54:54 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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