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Again! WH warns of 'unprecedented' SCOTUS ruling
Washington Examiner ^ | 4/4/2012 | Joel Gehrke Commentary Staff Writer

Posted on 04/04/2012 1:06:43 PM PDT by tellw

President Obama's spokesman reiterated that a Supreme Court ruling against Obamacare would be "unprecedented," but even when explaining why that claim should stand, he fumbled Supreme Court history.

"It would be unprecedented in the modern era of the Supreme Court, since the New Deal era, for the Supreme Court to overturn legislation passed by Congress designed to regulate and deal with a matter of national economic importance like our health care system," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said today. "It has under the Commerce Clause deferred to Congress's authority in matters of national economic importance." Carney also said that Obama does not regret making the comment.

But Carney's history is incorrect. "Jay, that's not true," CBS's Norah O'Donnell countered. "There are two instances in the past 80 years where the president -- where the Supreme Court has overturned [laws passed on the basis of the Commerce Clause]: US vs Lopez and US vs Morrison."

The Lopez case, decided in 1995, involved Congress's authority to regulate schools under the Commerce Clause. The Supreme Court ruled against Congress.

Lopez influenced the even more recent Morrison ruling in 2000, when the Supreme Court overturned sections of the Violence Against Women Act , on the basis that Congress had overstepped its authority under the Commerce Clause.

Carney was not convinced by O'Donnell's history. "What [Obama] made clear yesterday -- and he was a law professor, and he understands constitutional law and constitutional precedent and the role of the Supreme Court -- was a reference to the Supreme Court's history and it's rulings on matters under the Commerce Clause," he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; obamugabe; scotus
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1 posted on 04/04/2012 1:06:47 PM PDT by tellw
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To: tellw

well, we’ve never before had a massive Federal health care grab for the Court TO rule unconstitutional.

So in a Clintonesque sense I guess Barry is being truthful when he says this is “unprecedented”.


2 posted on 04/04/2012 1:08:32 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: tellw

Lying douche bags. Here are the facts:

1789-2002 Acts of Congress Held as Unconstitutional..............................158


3 posted on 04/04/2012 1:10:57 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: tellw
His disdain for checks and balances makes one wonder about his supposed origins.
4 posted on 04/04/2012 1:11:28 PM PDT by allmost
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To: tellw

The quotation from Carney is the really interesting part to me. Carney is of course an idiot. And his view like the Dimest of Dim bulb is, if Obama said it, of course it is true. I know he is a hired flack, but that is pathetic.


5 posted on 04/04/2012 1:13:31 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: tellw
and he was a law professor

From the Saul Alynsky School of Law and Diplomidiocy.

6 posted on 04/04/2012 1:14:03 PM PDT by C210N (Mitt "Severe Etch-a-Sketch" mcRominate-me)
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To: tellw

One thing you can count on...obamas alligator mouth, will always overload his parakeet butt.


7 posted on 04/04/2012 1:14:24 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: tellw

Thanks for the warning. This shows how much you suck.


8 posted on 04/04/2012 1:16:00 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: tellw

Thugs always double down, even when as here, a reporter actually corrects the bare-faced lies. Carney has his marching orders, and they are to stick to the script.


9 posted on 04/04/2012 1:16:00 PM PDT by mojito
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To: tellw

“...and he was a law professor” just like Sen. Kerry was a Vietnam War Hero!


10 posted on 04/04/2012 1:16:13 PM PDT by vg0va3
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To: tellw
How do we know he is actually a professor.
Has anyone seen his college records.
Or do we take this lying scumbuckets word.
11 posted on 04/04/2012 1:16:17 PM PDT by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: tellw

Romney/ Santorum has to get in front of this with something like:

1. Respect the separation of power.
2. The power of the Constitution has served us well for 223 years.
3. In the future, everything is “unprecedented”, so the term is meaningless.


12 posted on 04/04/2012 1:16:54 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: tellw
...and he was a law professor, and he understands constitutional law and constitutional precedent and the role of the Supreme Court

Whoa there, Jay. So you are telling us that either Obama is A) Incompetent and doesn't understand the purpose of the SC despite all his academia or B) He knows the purpose and is in willful denial and subversion of the constitution with regards to the purpose of the SC.

Which is it, Jay.

13 posted on 04/04/2012 1:16:54 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The Whitehouse itself has been unPresidented for the past four....uh...oh....unPrecedented.....
14 posted on 04/04/2012 1:17:41 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (" O", bred to be red.)
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To: tellw

“he was a law professor”
Another lie. He was an adjunct instructor, same as Willie Clinton.

(”D-—uh, I meant to say ... **virtually unprecedented**.
And he was professor-like.” Jay O’Blarney)


15 posted on 04/04/2012 1:18:25 PM PDT by tumblindice (our new, happy lives)
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To: tellw
The truth of the matter is that Carney, and all the other defenders of his remarks, are, like him, relying on what they believe to be constitutional ignorance of the public.

He believes that his predecessor "progressives" have done such a good job at censoring the Founders' principles of their written Constitution from the public mind that he is speaking before a citizenry made up of "constitutional illiterates," as someone has called us.

He is about to find out that his Administration's blatant overreach for power over individuals triggered the greatest amount of research and study of the Founders' Constitution and its principles since the Revolutionary Period in our history.

Tocqueville, in the 1830's, observed how even in the backwoods, citizens were informed of their rights and liberties and their Constitution.

When so-called "progressives" determined to impose their ideas of government planning, government control, and government intervention in the lives of citizens, they first had to eliminate, as far as possible, the Declaration's primary message from the schools and "public" places.

This President is overly confident that their work has prepared American citizens for his emergence and his interpretation of their Constitution.

November 2010 should have signaled a new era. Apparently, it did not.

Whether by Divine Providence, or simple advances in technology, that which was "hidden" is now revealed, and ordinary citizens, with a mouse and a computer, can read the same historical writers the Founders' read. They can read all the letters, speeches, writings, and debates about liberty versus tyranny. They can read the real history of how the Constitution was intended by its Framers to protect them; and, they can read the essential ideas of their liberty. They even can read the cases where the Court has exercised its constitutional authority to strike down legislation which exceeded the Constitution's bounds.

They are becoming more and more "constitutionally literate" by the minute, and such "performances" as that in the Rose Garden only uncloak the "myth" surrounding this President's Constitutional understanding. By simple historical research, citizens can find each misrepresentation in that one "performance" and evaluate for themselves whether it is a political design to retain power, or a valid observation of the Court's role in safeguarding liberty.

Since this President's outrageous claims for unprecedented government control of almost every aspect of the society, one may be certain that every word of the Justice's opinions will be scrutinized carefully over the next decades, and they will be measured against the standards of the literature of America's founding period and the Framers of the Constitution which gave birth to freedom in this great land."Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant—they have been cheated; asleep—they have been surprised; divided—the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson? ... the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government, they should watch over it ... It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free."- James Madison

16 posted on 04/04/2012 1:18:38 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: tellw
Carney was not convinced by O'Donnell's history.

That's not what The One said, so it not true. Nanny, nanny, boo, boo.

17 posted on 04/04/2012 1:20:57 PM PDT by mykroar (Please be aware any /sarc tag is for the lurkers, not the Freepers.)
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To: tellw
"...and he was a law professor..."

Another lie! He was never a professor. He was a lecturer only.

18 posted on 04/04/2012 1:23:21 PM PDT by avacado
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To: tellw

Surprised to see Obama cheerleader Norah contradict Carney like that..


19 posted on 04/04/2012 1:27:02 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: tellw

In 1992, the Court delivered it’s opinion in NY vs United States, which ruled parts of a Congressional law regarding the handling of radioactive waste to be unconstitutional.

This is one of the most comprehensive treatments of federal legislation and administrative procedures ever.

The Court basically B-slapped Congress big time, and NY vx US has been the basis of a number of decisions since then, Lopez being only one.

States are not mere political subdivisions of the United States. State governments are neither regional offices nor administrative agencies of the Federal Government. The positions occupied by state officials appear nowhere on the Federal Government’s most detailed organizational chart. The Constitution instead “leaves to the several States a residuary and inviolable sovereignty,” The Federalist No. 39, p. 245 (C. Rossiter ed. 1961), reserved explicitly to the States by the Tenth Amendment.
NY vs United States, 505 US 144, 188


20 posted on 04/04/2012 1:27:20 PM PDT by djf (Obama - the "OJ verdict" of presidents!!)
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To: tellw
Totally unfair of O'Donnell to confuse Carney with the facts!

Although, there is progress - the MSM is now actually checking the facts! One small step for a woman, one giant leap for all of America!

21 posted on 04/04/2012 1:27:41 PM PDT by In Maryland (Liberal logic - the ultimate oxymoron!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

So, let’s say the SCOTUS declares the entire Obamugabe Care Law unconstitutional and throws it out.

Obamugabe says, “Fine, we will institute it anyway, SCOTUS be damned.”

THEN what do you do?.......................


22 posted on 04/04/2012 1:30:34 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: djf

If Obama was unsure of certain provisions that might render his crown jewel unconstitutional. He should have used the Line Item Veto that the Republican controlled House passed with Unanimous Consent and was signed by a Democrat president.


23 posted on 04/04/2012 1:31:02 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

It was declared ‘unconstitutional’.............;^)


24 posted on 04/04/2012 1:32:20 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: JLS
The quotation from Carney is the really interesting part to me. Carney is of course an idiot.

Don't you just want to stick his head in a toilet and flush?

25 posted on 04/04/2012 1:32:50 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Red Badger

What’s this we? The House hold the purse strings.


26 posted on 04/04/2012 1:33:15 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: tellw
Supreme Irony


27 posted on 04/04/2012 1:34:06 PM PDT by QT3.14 (OBAMA and his past: a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma)
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To: tellw

“How many fingers, Winston?”


28 posted on 04/04/2012 1:34:20 PM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: In Maryland

There was a time when CBS was the gold standard in broadcast news.
Once of twice this week, I thought I saw it again.


29 posted on 04/04/2012 1:34:20 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: 70th Division

Is this where you found that stat? http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CONAN-2002/pdf/GPO-CONAN-2002-10.pdf

I suggest everyone post it on their Facebook.....or whatever other means they communicate to family and friends.


30 posted on 04/04/2012 1:35:21 PM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: tellw

In Obamaville we wave a magic wand and all things become constitutional


31 posted on 04/04/2012 1:36:56 PM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: Red Badger
THEN what do you do?.......................


32 posted on 04/04/2012 1:38:38 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Red Badger

But.....but.......it was a democratically elected congress!!!!!


33 posted on 04/04/2012 1:39:21 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: tellw
-- and he was a law professor, and he understands constitutional law and constitutional precedent and the role of the Supreme Court --

No; he knows Critical Race Theory, and what Critical Race Theory says is that you should throw out pesky sh*t like the Constitution, and work around pesky institutions like the US Supreme Court, when those things get in the way of social justice. Why? Because things like the Constitution and institutions like the Supreme Court are the products of the White Man, and they merely perpetuate the White Man's hegemony over the power and the $$$$ floating around this awful land called the United States of America.

This is exactly the reason why Breitbart's vetting viz. CRT is so damn important.

Only those who are willingly blind cannot see it for what it is. Obama's entire life has been leading up to this point. Literally - his entire life.

34 posted on 04/04/2012 1:39:33 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: tellw

The real problem is that in January 2009 we inaugurated what we thought we had elected, a president, one who swore to uphold the U. S. Constitution. But what we really inaugurated was an executive community organizer or, to put it more accurately, a revolutionary.

This man who was elected to an office that he is committed not to faithfully execute, but to faithlessly neglect in order to transform what he views as a flawed Constitution. Manifestly, he believes the Constitution must be transformed from an enumeration of the “negative rights” of a federal government of equal and divided powers, legislative, executive, and judicial, whose chief intent is to protect the individual from the tyranny of the government into an enumeration of the “positive rights” of the collective citizenry, whose chief intent is to empower a federal government of unequal and hierarchical powers, EXECUTIVE, legislative, and judicial, to both oversee and administer those rights to the collective citizenry in whatever way it sees fit.


35 posted on 04/04/2012 1:39:33 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: loveliberty2

I was surprised at the Tea Party protest (D.C. 2008) at the number of young people with mini Constitutions in hand. Very encouraging.


36 posted on 04/04/2012 1:40:38 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: tellw

‘law professor’? Wow?

I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last week. I watched People’s Court on the tv. Am I now a ‘law professor’?


37 posted on 04/04/2012 1:42:39 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: massgopguy

There hasn’t been a budget passed in three years, yet the government still runs.......


38 posted on 04/04/2012 1:43:39 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: tellw

Rush is correct. Zer0 is playing to the ignorant voter base who believes freedom is the free stuff you get from the government.


39 posted on 04/04/2012 1:44:40 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: avacado

Aparently not a very memorable one because noone remembers him. Nor, can they find his college records!


40 posted on 04/04/2012 1:44:40 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: tomkat

Resistance is futile......you will be assimilated.............


41 posted on 04/04/2012 1:45:09 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: tellw

Obama should appoint a Czar to investigate those “unelected judges”!


42 posted on 04/04/2012 1:45:49 PM PDT by stickandrudder (Another Bitter-Clinger! God-Family-Tribe)
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To: Red Badger
So, let’s say the SCOTUS declares the entire Obamugabe Care Law unconstitutional and throws it out. Obamugabe says, “Fine, we will institute it anyway, SCOTUS be damned.” THEN what do you do?

He better be prepared to finance its implementation. The House would never allocate a dime to implement a program deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS. Especially if it's a 6-3 or 7-2 vote.

43 posted on 04/04/2012 1:47:22 PM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: jonrick46

Rush is correct. Zer0 is playing to the ignorant voter base who believes freedom is the free stuff you get from the government.


MSNBC viewers?


44 posted on 04/04/2012 1:48:43 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: AAABEST

Carney is the nerd who always got ‘pantsed’ in high school.


45 posted on 04/04/2012 1:48:52 PM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: tellw
FWIW:

How many laws has the US Supreme Court declared unconstitutional?

46 posted on 04/04/2012 1:49:05 PM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: massgopguy

..as they cheerily realize on the way to the poor house: A tyranny by a majority of legislators or a despot — its all the same.


47 posted on 04/04/2012 1:49:13 PM PDT by KC Burke (Newton's New First Law, Repeal and Restore!)
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To: tellw
FWIW:

How many laws has the US Supreme Court declared unconstitutional?

48 posted on 04/04/2012 1:49:24 PM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: tomkat

You RECTIFY the situation...............

49 posted on 04/04/2012 1:49:36 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Maceman

not enough


50 posted on 04/04/2012 1:51:05 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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