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This is the crux of the question, and goes to the philosophical heart of our legal system. A person is innocent until proved guilty.

No facts have been shown that contradict George Zimmerman's self defense claims.

1 posted on 03/26/2012 5:27:59 AM PDT by marktwain
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the seriousness of the charge is sufficient....


2 posted on 03/26/2012 5:33:20 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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So....an Hispanic American kills a ‘Brother’, who was bashing hispanic/german American Zimmermans head against the sidewalk( and ultimately broke Zimmermans nose), dies when the shooter manages to pull his licensed pistol which the dead guy was trying to take from him. it goes off killing the hoodie wearing, pants on the ground, thug....and the media pulls out picures of the dead ‘brother’ from 10 years earlier like he was a sweet baby. and Sharpton and the left make THIS a cause celeb to ban guns?

EFFF U Rev. Al, and your media lackies too....


3 posted on 03/26/2012 5:36:05 AM PDT by Vaquero (Molon Labe)
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Here’s a hypothetical for you.

I’m walking in an alley way and 5 guys jump out and start beating the crap out of me.

I happen to have a gun, so I pull it out and blow all 5 of them away.

I’m a bit battered up and the 5 are dead.

No witnesses to the beating and no witnesses to the shooting.

When the cops show up, do they have ‘probable cause’ to arrest me?


4 posted on 03/26/2012 5:37:59 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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Poor Trayvon.

All he did was punch Zimmerman to the ground, climb on top of him and beat him some more while screaming "I'm going to kill you Mother F****r!!!" when Zimmerman shot him for no reason.

He had a perfect right to beat Zimmerman to death because he is one of Eric Holder's people.

5 posted on 03/26/2012 5:39:00 AM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to slaughter anyone who says otherwise.)
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My understanding is that law enforcement must sign an affidavit stating that believe there is probable cause to make the charge of murder and if the outcome is justifiable homicide then law enforcement becomes liable to the defendant. This is another aspect of the 2005 stand your ground law designed to ensure that police don’t automatically arrest people for defending themselves.


6 posted on 03/26/2012 5:43:37 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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There’s so much to sort out in this case and it’s really hard to know who was in the right at this point. Two things:

1. Obama had no business weighing in on this with his ridiculous and racially inferred comments.

2. Why exactly did Zimmerman continue to follow this guy after reporting him to 911 and they had dispatched police to the area? Also, the 911 operator wisely told him not to follow the guy. I don’t know if he’s guilty or not. But I do know that if he had wisely heeded that advice and not followed Martin, none of this would have happened. You don’t go looking for trouble.


7 posted on 03/26/2012 5:43:47 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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We know that a 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow Martin. To this, Zimmerman said “okay” and later told police he had broken off following Martin and that Martin then became the persuer.

Whether this is true or not, we know that Martin had Zimmerman on his back and was pummeling him. We know Zimmerman had a head leaceration, facial injuries and possibly a broken nose.... and grass stains on his back.

The facts of this case may not corroborate the narrative created by the popular media, activists, pundits and even Rick Santorum.


8 posted on 03/26/2012 5:48:10 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

No facts have been shown that contradict George Zimmerman's self defense claims

Enough said. Please refer all posting on this case to the City Manager's Report and updates. They outline all that is known at this time about the case.

Above all, do not yield to Left-Wing Provocation by arguing this case in public. The City Manager's concise reports are models of calmness and rationality. No amount of shouting will convince those who need to believe otherwise, or others like Mr. Obama and his election team who wish to use this case as a political tool.

27 posted on 03/26/2012 6:17:34 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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Is it true that Martin was shot in the back?


35 posted on 03/26/2012 6:30:40 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info.. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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Photobucket It was the Skittles man! It was the Skittles!
39 posted on 03/26/2012 6:32:46 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: marktwain
This is the crux of the question, and goes to the philosophical heart of our legal system. A person is innocent until proved guilty.

Not on this forum. not if your name happens to be George Zimmerman.

It is only what the media says that matters. in Zimmerman's case, the media has said guilty. And the parrots on this forum pick up and echo the media's verdict.

68 posted on 03/26/2012 7:05:19 AM PDT by sport
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Documents released by Sanford, FL re: Trayvon Martin Investigation.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/index.html


71 posted on 03/26/2012 7:15:56 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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“No facts have been shown that contradict George Zimmerman’s self defense claims.”

There is two (2) fact that can be used to ‘justify’ arresting and convicting George Zimmerman.

1: FEAR of Rodney King type riots.
2: FEAR of a civil (race) war.


94 posted on 03/26/2012 7:50:57 AM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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It’s very likely the police department consulted with somebody from the district attorney’s office before releasing Zimmerman on the night of the shooting.

Online versions of the original police report show that the PD initially classified the shooting as “Homicide/Negleg/Mansl”, specifically a violation of FL statute 782.11, “Unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act.”

It seems that Zimmerman was detained, handcuffed, and questioned. But based on the information available to them that night, the PD decided not to book him for a felony. The PD probably saw some valid legal reasons for releasing Zimmerman. I’m sure they thought about it carefully before doing so.


99 posted on 03/26/2012 8:09:13 AM PDT by 04-Bravo
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Liberals and the MSM are acting like it's 1964 - and this took place in Mississippi or Georgia - AND Bull Conner is Chief of Police. I'm embarrassed for them. They're idiots.
101 posted on 03/26/2012 8:13:04 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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