[Cincinatus' Wife]

....Creation Care, Mother Earth, Environmental Journalists and Professors as High Priests of Activism...

National Council of Churches Eco-Justice Programs --------- NCC Programs

[Lazlo in PA]

Looks like Newton all the way..

Lets rock...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPW3gRgXTq0

[Lazlo in PA]

Let us rock out on this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5_pEO8a8U

[Carry_Okie]

Contrary to the beliefs of MANY FReepers, the 18th Century Enlightenment was infused with a distaste if not outright hostility to Christianity. Science had convinced the bulk of philosophers of that time, from Diderot to Hume, to Locke, Smith, and Rousseau, that the Church was to be at best placated if not outright disregarded.

It was this infatuation with the forbidden pleasures of pagan Roman philosophers that led to our structure of government and its iconography. When such philosophers were speaking of "God" it certainly wasn't that as defined in Torah, but varied from atheism to a confused sort of pantheism. Many of their references to "God" were out of reticence to attack Christianity directly in of fear of reprisal. Many of their parallel references to morality were, instead, cleverly built upon the Roman idea of manly virtue, leaving the listener to believe that they were talking specifically about Christian virtue. That ambiguity has led to a huge number of what are effectively 'God and Country' misquotes.

The best source I can recommend on this history is Peter Gay's massive (1,300pp), readable, and thoroughly documented two-part essay: The Enlightenment: (1) The Rise of Modern Paganism and (2) The Science of Freedom.

The "scientific naturist" thinking common to today's (covertly Satanic) "Green Religion" was founded in the poetic philosophy of Lucretius, who was very influential over Cicero and thence the Founders (although Lucretius was widely read and commended enthusiastically among them at that time).