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Gingrich Signs Pledge to Build Fence Along Southern Border
ABC News ^ | December 1, 2011 | Russell Goldman

Posted on 12/01/2011 5:32:02 PM PST by presidio9

Newt Gingrich, whose GOP competitors accuse him of being soft on illegal immigration, pledged Thursday, if elected president, to build a double fence along the Mexican border during his first days in the White House.

“We haven’t been able to build a fence on the border because we have not been a serious country,” the former House speaker said at an event in Iowa, before he signed his name to the pledge sponsored by the activist group Americans for Securing the Border.

Gingrich has maintained that the border needs securing but has also suggested that some of the 11 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S. be permitted to stay in the U.S. legally. Some of his competition, including Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, has called that policy “amnesty.”

Bachmann was the first candidate, and is the only other 2012 contender to sign the pledge.

The candidates pledge “to support and speedily expedite the construction of a date-certain, secure multi-layered fence (fence locations to be specified

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1 posted on 12/01/2011 5:32:10 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

For Newt it’s to keep the illegals IN the country. LOL


2 posted on 12/01/2011 5:33:19 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: presidio9

To keep aliens IN!


3 posted on 12/01/2011 5:34:28 PM PST by Haddit (Heartless)
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To: presidio9

When newts lips are moving he is either eating or lying, he does nothing halfway.


4 posted on 12/01/2011 5:37:12 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: presidio9

I’m not buying it. He’s still a pro-amnesty RINO.


5 posted on 12/01/2011 5:37:25 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: presidio9

Newt’s policy on dealing with illegals is the best one I have heard. It is outlined on his site and well worth the read for anyone interested.
BTW..what is Bachmanns plan on deporting millions of illegals? or any other candidates plan on how this feat would be accomplished other than get rid of the “magnets” which Newt also supports


6 posted on 12/01/2011 5:37:25 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: presidio9
I'm so sick of these effing pledges. Oooooo, look at me look at me! I'm signing a non-legally binding paper that gets me face time!
7 posted on 12/01/2011 5:38:22 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Apollo5600

I see your denial continues. No matter what Newt does it will be wrong in your book. You are becoming a ridiculous caricature of yourself. I do note that Newt has signed the pledge and Cain hasn’t. Wanna bet what happens first - Cain signs a pledge to build a fence or drops out of the race? Actually, I’ll bet you come up with a reason why building a fence is a horrible idea. It has to be if Newt is for it, right? Yeah, until Cain says “good idea, Newt. Can I borrow your pen?”


8 posted on 12/01/2011 5:38:29 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: presidio9
He's a flip-flopping weasel...

ENDING THE DISHONESTY: THE WAY FORWARD ON BORDER CONTROL AND PATRIOTIC IMMIGRATION by Newt Gingrich (April 26, 2006)

9 posted on 12/01/2011 5:38:29 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: presidio9

a fence? why? He’ll keep the gates wide open.


10 posted on 12/01/2011 5:40:20 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: presidio9

How about bringing the troops back home and lining them up on the border too !!! Why can’t that be in the pledge?


11 posted on 12/01/2011 5:40:39 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: katiedidit1
So how many million NEW government employees will be needed to run this amnesty program, and how many billion will be needed for their budget. How many buildings, autos and etc, big government on the move.
12 posted on 12/01/2011 5:40:58 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: presidio9

Just build the damn fence..

Isn’t that what his Rino buddy McCain said?


13 posted on 12/01/2011 5:41:44 PM PST by cableguymn
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To: South40
I’m not buying it. He’s still a pro-amnesty RINO.

You are not planning on voting anyway. That makes your opinion about as relevant as a pet rock.

14 posted on 12/01/2011 5:42:18 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: GLDNGUN

...Because apparently his positions on “legalization” can somehow be covered up by how he sugar coats it and pledges he signs? I mock it because it’s so transparent. He’s kissing up to us while at the same time holding a position that is utterly contradictory and unacceptable.

How about instead of trolling me around the forum, you tell me why we need to legalize these people to begin with? Why not ENFORCE the law, when we know that by doing this simple thing, illegals deport themselves? Why are we rewarding illegal behavior? And why do you believe that, somehow, only the illegals who have committed minor identity fraud and have been working for 25 years will be the only ones to get “legalized”?


15 posted on 12/01/2011 5:42:31 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: Apollo5600
Why not ENFORCE the law, when we know that by doing this simple thing, illegals deport themselves?

False. You haven't given the matter enough thought.

16 posted on 12/01/2011 5:47:16 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
You are not planning on voting anyway. That makes your opinion about as relevant as a pet rock.

I'll vote. But it won't be for a pro-amnesty RINO like Newt.

17 posted on 12/01/2011 5:48:27 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: presidio9

Arizona. Alabama.


18 posted on 12/01/2011 5:48:56 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: GeronL
a fence? why? He’ll keep the gates wide open.

And a welcome mat rolled out.

19 posted on 12/01/2011 5:49:43 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
How about bringing the troops back home and lining them up on the border too !!! Why can’t that be in the pledge?

Gigrich only signed the pledge, he did not write it, but should I take this to mean you're a Ron Paul supporter?

20 posted on 12/01/2011 5:49:43 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Apollo5600

I’m all for ENFORCING the current laws. I’m also for CLOSING the border. Are you? I’m for building a fence and whatever other measures we need to take. Heck, mobilize the National Guard, increase the Border Patrol, etc. Are you? Oh, wait, those are Newt’s ideas. They must be bad ideas...for some reason.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 5:50:42 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

Take a gander at how long this person has been here-Nov 2011.

Lots of plants like this on this site lately.


22 posted on 12/01/2011 5:54:11 PM PST by crz
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To: South40
I'll vote. But it won't be for a pro-amnesty RINO like Newt.

I believe you said that if Cain did not win the nomination, which he won't, you were going to write in Sarah Palin. This is equivalent to not voting, which is mathmatically identical to voting for Barak Obama. There are two explanations for this: Either you are an idiot for thinking that announcing a principled stand on an anonymous web forum is relevant, or you are a pro-Obama troll. I don't believe you are actually advocating for Obama.

23 posted on 12/01/2011 5:54:41 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
False. You haven't given the matter enough thought.

Wrong.

How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico

Illegal Immigrants Leaving Arizona Over New Law

Alabama reaps huge rewards from immigration enforcement bill.

24 posted on 12/01/2011 5:55:05 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: presidio9

Yeah right.


25 posted on 12/01/2011 5:55:31 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (WE ARE AMERICA! DONATE TO FR MORE!)
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To: GLDNGUN

Newt on immigration
http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration

Newt’s solution
(My comments)

1. Control the border
…Round-the-clock drone flights to monitor activity, multi-layer, strategic fencing in urban areas, and vastly improved communication between state and federal authorities.
(So they can ground the drones whenever they want to)

2. Create a 21st Century Visa Program
…A biometric, tamper-proof card.
(let everyone in)

3. “In-source” the best brains in the world
…Allow easier transition from an F (student) visa to an H1-B (high-skill) visa.
…Allow qualified foreign students to transition immediately into the American workforce.
(Make it easier for foreign students to compete against Americans for jobs and keep wages down)

4. Allow foreigners, who want to spend money, invest and create jobs in America to do so.

(What he is saying here is to do away with the $1 million minimum investment required for an EB-5 program that allows foreigners to move here. Open business based on the foreigner’s skill to raise American capital, as long as he employees people for 10 years)

Also
…More consular staff and a video interview program… … to create more tourism jobs.

(Newt points out that we loose millions of tourist a year do to illegal immigration)

(Make it easier for the rich to retire in America)

5. There has to be a legal quest worker program, but its management must be outsourced to a sophisticated manager of anti-fraud systems, such as American Express, Visa, or Mastercard.

(Replace E-Verify for guest workers and pay corporations for providing biometric cards)

6. Create a path to earned legality for some of the millions of people who are here outside the law.

(Oh, there are only 8 to 12 million illegal aliens)

…”A citizens’ review” “in individual communities” to “determine who will continue on this path to legality, and who will be sent home.”
(to insure that communities remain segregated)

…”those here outside the law will be granted Temporary Legal Status”
(All of them, I repeat, All of them. Every illegal aliens will receive temporary legal status)

…”must be able to prove that they can independently pay for private health insurance”
…”proficiency in English within a certain number of years”
(Is he talking about those that have already been here 25 years? My neighbor wouldn’t qualify)

…”pay a penalty of at least $5,000”
(Each of their kids cost the taxpayer approximately $130,000 for kindergarten thru 12th grade)

…”prove on a regular basis that they can support themselves”

7. Deportation of criminals and gang members should be efficient and fast.
(Nothing about sanctuary cities)

8. Ensure that every new citizen and every young American learn American history and the key principles of American Exceptionalism.

9. English must be the official language of government.

10. Young non-citizens who came to the United States outside the law should have the same right to join the military and earn citizenship.

…there will not be an option to petition for legal status and citizenship for their parents…


26 posted on 12/01/2011 5:55:31 PM PST by Haddit (Heartless)
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To: GLDNGUN

Vote for the most conservative in the primaries and the Republican in the general.

If that is all we do, Obama will be gone in 2012.


27 posted on 12/01/2011 5:55:53 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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To: Haddit
Tell me how all that squares with what he previously said as posted in #9.
28 posted on 12/01/2011 5:58:56 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: presidio9
You obsess over and attack other posters; those are the actions of a troll.

I won't vote for a pro-amnesty liberal POS. You will. Good for you.

29 posted on 12/01/2011 5:59:05 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico

Has nothing to do with my point. I hope we are beyond disputing the idea that Gingrich wants to seal the border.

Illegal Immigrants Leaving Arizona Over New Law

Gingrich and I agree that SOME illegals will leave when we enforce the laws. That's why he plans to do so. But, again, this was not my point.

Alabama reaps huge rewards from immigration enforcement bill.

See my previous point.

After we seal the borders and enforce the laws, perhaps as many as 10mm illegals will still chose to remain in the country outside the laws. Gingrich is the only candidate with a plan to address this. Actually, Gingrich is the only candidate who even HAS a comprehensive immigration plan.

30 posted on 12/01/2011 6:02:12 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Timber Rattler
What the flip-flopping RINO Newt said was:

Anything less than requiring people who are working here illegally to return home to apply for a worker visa is amnesty.
~Newt Gingrich

Now he says it's 'inhumane' to for them to leave.

Be it Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich, they flip-flop and say anything they think they need to say to fool the foolish. I'm not fooled.

31 posted on 12/01/2011 6:03:37 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: GLDNGUN

You forgot the part about Amnesty.


32 posted on 12/01/2011 6:08:45 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: South40
You obsess over and attack other posters; those are the actions of a troll.

The only reason I even know who you are is because you troll every Gingrich thread with the same lies. And I do not attack, I make observations. For instance, writing in Sarah Palin when she isn't running is the same thing as voting for Obama. I don't know what to call that other than stupid.

33 posted on 12/01/2011 6:11:34 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
The only reason I even know who you are is because you troll every Gingrich thread with the same lies.

Lies? Name one lie I have ever posted about your pro-amnesty POS candidate.

34 posted on 12/01/2011 6:13:55 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: presidio9

WOW!. I see all the David Axel rod minions are out in full force tonight. David must be grinning from ear to ear as his plan is working to perfection.


35 posted on 12/01/2011 6:18:04 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: South40
Lies? Name one lie I have ever posted about your pro-amnesty POS candidate.

The question itself contains a lie. How am I supposed to take you seriously?

Or treat you with the respect you so desperately crave for that matter.

36 posted on 12/01/2011 6:23:17 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Would Newt cave the first time a marxist federal judge “stays” the fence building for whatever reason?


37 posted on 12/01/2011 6:24:01 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Apollo5600
You forgot the part about Amnesty.

I'll make you a deal. Every time I write about Newt's position on illegal immigration, I'll mention "amnesty" if every time you write about Newt's position on illegal immigration you agree to mention Newt's fence, closing the border, mobilizing the National Guard, beefing up the Border Patrol, and deporting everyone else except for the few that would qualify for his "amnesty". Got it?
38 posted on 12/01/2011 6:24:40 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: presidio9
lol! So you cannot name one lie. Why an I not surprised? SO that makes you the liar.

By his own definition, Newt is for amnesty. You may not like that, you may deny it. But your denials won't change the fact that by his own definition Newt Gingrich is for amnesty.

Refute that.

39 posted on 12/01/2011 6:27:22 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: dynachrome
Would Newt cave the first time a marxist federal judge “stays” the fence building for whatever reason?

I forgot which candidate is running on the Andrew Jackson "I promise to disregard the judiciary and do whatever I feel like" platform. Which one is it again? I'm pretty sure Old Hickory is dead, so it can't be him.

40 posted on 12/01/2011 6:29:15 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: GLDNGUN
I'll make you a deal. Every time I write about Newt's position on illegal immigration, I'll mention "amnesty" if every time you write about Newt's position on illegal immigration you agree to mention Newt's fence, closing the border, mobilizing the National Guard, beefing up the Border Patrol, and deporting everyone else except for the few that would qualify for his "amnesty". Got it

You forgot to mention the $5000 penalty.

41 posted on 12/01/2011 6:31:12 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Andrew Jackson

Why, isn't he the historic jackass perpetually honored by the RAT mascot?

42 posted on 12/01/2011 6:32:53 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: presidio9

I am not for a fence. personally i believe its going to cost alot of money we don’t have and the mexicans will just figure out a way through it.

why not just enforce the laws. quite giving them all the freebies and watch them flood back to mexico.


43 posted on 12/01/2011 6:33:07 PM PST by annelizly
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To: GLDNGUN

You have a deal!


44 posted on 12/01/2011 6:33:59 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: GLDNGUN
I’m all for ENFORCING the current laws. I’m also for CLOSING the border. Are you? I’m for building a fence and whatever other measures we need to take. Heck, mobilize the National Guard, increase the Border Patrol, etc. Are you? Oh, wait, those are Newt’s ideas. They must be bad ideas...for some reason.

Advocates of amnesty should not be taken seriously if they claim to be also in favor of tougher border control.

45 posted on 12/01/2011 6:37:20 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: presidio9
Will he support making it a felony to hire and employ an illegal? Will he support massive fines on employers sufficient to cripple any business that hires and employs them? Will he support a ban on all government assistance for illegals? Because until it becomes prohibitively expensive and sufficiently criminalized to hire/employ illegals, they, (the employers), will all continue to use them thus encouraging the flood of illegal aliens. No matter what fences or patrols you set up, the lure of cheap labor for business and those jobs for the illegals will prompt them to try.

Make it impossible for them to work or derive sustenance here and they will self deport. Scorched earth for the illegals, this is war and we need to fight to win. Anything less is surrender to them and the eventual death of the American Republic, or I suppose you have stats to prove they are assimilating and becoming the long promised "new conservative base", we`ve been told of by the pro-amnesty crowd?

46 posted on 12/01/2011 6:40:11 PM PST by nomad
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To: annelizly

47 posted on 12/01/2011 6:43:01 PM PST by C210N (zer0 - a Marxonist spreading the flames of obamunism wherever he goes.)
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To: presidio9

And while we`re at it, try giving 10% of the fines to anyone who snitches on the employer who is using illegals. I know I`ll drop dime in a heartbeat for 10% of the fines, I`d impose, per illegal!


48 posted on 12/01/2011 6:44:46 PM PST by nomad
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To: South40

Speaking of fences, how’s that fence working out there in San Diego?


49 posted on 12/01/2011 6:46:10 PM PST by Quicksilver (nominate Rick Perry - defeat Obama - overhaul Washington!)
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To: katiedidit1; GLDNGUN

Do you really think that making them legal, but not giving them an option for citizenship will stand? Even if the Democrats went along initially, it would not be long before cries about ‘second class (non) citizens’ were being made. Those in support of legalization, but not a path to citizenship would be the new racists, the new bigots, the new haters of Hispanics.

And Newt would almost certainly cave to this sort of name calling. Just look at his disgraceful and shameful betrayal on racial preferences back in the 90s. He once talked tough ending racial preferences, but once he attained the position and power to do something about it, he caved. He could have got a strong and popular anti-preferences bill passed and made it hard for Clinton to veto it, but he decided opposing preferences (and defending the interest of poor-middle class whites) was not worth it. He decided it didn’t fit the image of a modern GOP (i.e. one where he didn’t get called nasty names) he was trying to build.

So yeah, I think the chance that a President Gingrich would change his mind, and decide to grant a path to citizenship for all the red card holders to be about 99%. And then of course the vast majority of those that do go on to become citizens and vote will vote Democratic. And the GOP’s demographic destruction will happen that much sooner.


50 posted on 12/01/2011 6:48:04 PM PST by Aetius
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