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Most in U.S. would scrap Electoral College
UPI ^ | 10-24-11 | staff

Posted on 10/24/2011 9:42:48 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

PRINCETON, N.J., Oct. 24 (UPI) -- Most Americans say they would amend the Constitution to swap the Electoral College with a popular-vote system to elect the president, a poll indicates.

Sixty-two percent of Americans prefer replacing the Electoral College and 35 percent would keep the current method for electing presidents, results from a Gallup poll released Monday indicated.

For the first time since the disputed 2000 presidential election, the majority of Republicans said they favor amending the Constitution, the Princeton, N.J., polling agency said.

That year, Democrat Al Gore won the national popular vote but Republican George W. Bush wound up with more electoral votes and was elected.

Those who advocate abolishing the Electoral College said they thought the system puts undue emphasis on a small number of swing states, Gallup said. Americans generally agree that the United States should adopt a system in which the popular vote prevails.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Back in late 2000, the head of the Federals Election Commission, a Bill Clinton appointee, said he thought that Al Gore did not really win the popular vote.

It was his opinion that because of illegal aliens voting, felons voting, individuals voting two or more times, “dead” people voting, and other fraud, that George W. Bush was the true winner of the popular vote in 2000. Hmmmm.....


81 posted on 10/24/2011 10:18:38 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Abolish TSA....Abolish Department of Fatherland Security...Just Say NO to the American Police State!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So the most popluous places can control the rest? what about states’ rights? The answer is this is a bald faced Commie lie.


82 posted on 10/24/2011 10:20:50 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This would be a huge mistake. Funny how this gets rolled out every time the demonRATs are in trouble. Isn’t voter fraud working as well for them anymore?


83 posted on 10/24/2011 10:21:42 AM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Wake up, People. This is not a scientific poll. This is a poll conducted nationwide of 1006 people.

1006 people? What percentage were Democrats? Repubicans? Left-wing nutjobs? How many were actually adults? How many were actually citizens? How many of them even spoke English? How many of them were actually from planet Earth?

No indication of how this poll was conducted or who they spoke to, other than it was conducted by phone.

It’s propoganda. This is the third seperate incident in the past 3 weeks where either a policitian, or now the media, has suggested scrapping either the Constitution, elections, and now the electoral college.

Again, THIS iS PROPOGANDA by the Democrats and their MSM allies because they know that their asses are in hot water and they are going to get slaughtered in the 2012 elections.

We need to push back against them and call them out every time they preach this BS.

Ernie


84 posted on 10/24/2011 10:22:04 AM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: afraidfortherepublic

62% of Americans think they deserve a house, a car, cable, and medical care - all at somebody elses expense.

I want to be six feet tall and skinny. I’m not banking on that happening any time soon either.

Is it a stretch to think 62% of Americans are mouth-breathing dumbasses? Check out the local Safeway parking lot sometime around 6PM on any given Friday night. Positively spooky.


85 posted on 10/24/2011 10:22:29 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: SamAdams76
I got into it with my sister-in-law on this very subject over the summer. She felt that it just made sense to choose the president on the popular vote instead of that "complicated" electoral college.

Another effective ploy: Ask your SIL if the World Series scoring is "complicated". Instead of best-of-seven, should they just total the runs scored by each team and determine the outcome that way?

Winning games is obviously the objective. By the same token, the presidential election is about winning states.

86 posted on 10/24/2011 10:23:23 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Direct election of Senators mortally wounded the Republic.

Ending the Electoral College would be the coup de grace.

The United States then simply becomes the United City States, with LA, NYC, Chicago, etc. lording over the hinterlands.


87 posted on 10/24/2011 10:24:19 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Well why don't we just adopt a parliamentary system of government then? We could then truly emulate Europe and have the kind of disastrous policies they do, except more frequently.
88 posted on 10/24/2011 10:25:24 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: rednek; All
Let's just say uninformed.

The Electoral College is pure genius.

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89 posted on 10/24/2011 10:27:20 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG

http://www.lwv.org/Content/ContentGroups/StudyTaskforces/NPVCompactStudy/NPVArgument_con.pdf
Read up on the NPV. We are getting real close to having the large city states elect our presidents from now on out without a constitutional convention.


90 posted on 10/24/2011 10:30:45 AM PDT by WVNan (!)
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To: lonestar
It never ceases to amaze me at how intelligent and understanding of human nature those guys were!

Spot on, FRiend! As I grow older, my respect and admiration grows for our Founding Fathers. These men put their lives and fortunes on the line for freedom.

Although I don't have a "Bucket List", I really want to make a trip to Independence Hall in Philly.

George Washington was smart enough to stipulate that all windows would remain shuttered, so as to keep the media out. He knew that the Constitutional Convention would fail if each member was not allowed to speak freely.

The only mistake they made was the lack of term limits. They truly believed in the concept of citizen-legislator, where you term-limited yourself.

91 posted on 10/24/2011 10:30:47 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Most in U.S. would scrap Electoral College

Which is EXACTLY why we have it. The movement against the Electoral College is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Amazing foresight of the Founders.

92 posted on 10/24/2011 10:31:47 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Why isn’t there a poll asking what the electoral college is?
And if such a poll is taken it should include the ethnicity of those polled and how they answered.


93 posted on 10/24/2011 10:32:02 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: kitkat
At the time of the adoption of the Constitution about half the population lived in VIRGINIA. All the other states were "smaller" in terms of population.

Exclusive of Virginia the remaining Southern states had too few people to have more than a rump representation in the House.

The business about counting each slave as 3/5 of a person gave the Southern states more representatives than they were due if only citizens were counted. Recognizing the colony of New England as actually consisting of several states (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire) gave the Northern states more senators than they were due.

That was the Great Compromise that made the union possible. It's also why we do not have a parliamentary system in Congress.

The Electoral college was an afterthought ~ although there's no reason Congress couldn't vote directly for the President (with a minor change to the Constitution).

94 posted on 10/24/2011 10:32:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Al Gore won the po;ular vote and would have been elected.

The only man in the country more stupid than Obama, he was probably the only man alive who would have made Obama look good.


95 posted on 10/24/2011 10:33:15 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: afraidfortherepublic
People who live in apartment buildings and condos in NYC and elsewhere should not dictate policy that defines the lives of people living in non-urban or rural areas. The electoral college doesn't go far enough to prevent a virtual dictatorship by those who live in cities.
96 posted on 10/24/2011 10:34:58 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: hoosierham
Democracy is nothing more than mob rule!!

Amen to that! As the saying goes, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Unfortunately, this 62% mindset is what inevitably happens with a government school system.

97 posted on 10/24/2011 10:36:00 AM PDT by Marathoner (Occupy Wall Street = Parasites on Parade)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Looks like Gallup scrubbed their web page [PDF] that shows the internal data from the poll - they only list the 35th item which is the following question:

35. "Thinking for a moment about the way in which the president is elected in this country, which would you prefer -- [ROTATED: to amend the constitution so the candidate who receives the most total votes nationwide wins the election, (or) to keep the current system, in which the candidate who wins the most votes in the Electoral College wins the election]?"

No breakdown by age, sex, race, party affiliation, etc.

98 posted on 10/24/2011 10:36:03 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: PGR88
We actually need to go the other way - and repeal the 17th Amendment

Have you ever seen the "End the Suffrage of Women" street petition skit that appeared on The Man Show?

Yeah, the "dumbing down" process has been a big success.

99 posted on 10/24/2011 10:36:21 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: pallis

Candidate: “We want to create...”

Mob: “We want to create...”

Candidate: “...a system of government...”

Mob: “...a system of government...”

Candidate: “...where no one state has electoral votes...”

Mob: “...where no one state has electoral votes...”

*** NO THANKS. ***


100 posted on 10/24/2011 10:36:41 AM PDT by bolobaby
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