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OH GEE....I really wonder why???
1 posted on 09/06/2011 7:22:29 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

“Many”?,.......How about ALL?

Muslims, Islamofascists are our sworn enemies. They want us all dead. They’re all insane, cruel, mean, nasty backwards and barbaric. What’s not to understand?


25 posted on 09/06/2011 7:46:18 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of "liberals, Islam and illegal immigration.)
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To: Morgana

Surprise, surprise, surprise.


26 posted on 09/06/2011 7:49:12 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Morgana

Cut off welfare and public housing, and I swear 90%+ will go back to their mid-east hell holes within a year.


27 posted on 09/06/2011 7:49:26 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Morgana

My comfort level varies, depending on where they are and what condition they’re in.


28 posted on 09/06/2011 7:50:12 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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They stink.

No, really, they do.

I had a roomie in college who was Muslim. The guy hardly ever bathed. At all. And our resident assist was Saudi Muslim. He didn’t smell that great either. I dont know what it is about Muzzies but cannot fathom why they don’t like to take showers like the rest of us.

Sphinx level mystery to me why they fear pigs as well.


30 posted on 09/06/2011 8:03:57 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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"Forty-seven percent of survey respondents said the values of Islam are at odds with American values."

ONLY Forty-seven percent?????

31 posted on 09/06/2011 8:24:53 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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Americans should be more than just “uncomfortable” with muslims — how would they feel if they were told that they had pancreatic cancer?

Because that is what they might as well be suffering from.


32 posted on 09/06/2011 8:25:06 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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http://theodoresworld.net/pages/terrorists.htm


33 posted on 09/06/2011 8:28:56 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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I'm that way with cottonmouth moccasins too!

Same reason!

34 posted on 09/06/2011 8:33:43 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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It is really amazing how many people apparently don’t think there is any contradiction between our Constitution history and the Koran. To paraphrase words of a musical show-There is trouble brewing in all the cities.


35 posted on 09/06/2011 8:45:20 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Morgana
Uncomfortable with Muslims? But, Why?


38 posted on 09/06/2011 9:12:26 PM PDT by garjog
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To: Morgana

Moslems are uncomfortable with Americans.


39 posted on 09/06/2011 9:22:15 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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I have regarded their religion/culture/mores with distaste since I first laid eyes on them in the early ‘70’s. I have considered them the enemy since the Persians held the embassy hostage. 9/11 was a chapter in the Terror Wars but by no means was it the genesis of my revulsion toward an implacable and irrational enemy. Even so, there is one kind of muslim with whom I am comfortable...


40 posted on 09/06/2011 9:31:24 PM PDT by davius (You can roll manure in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly doughnut.)
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To: Morgana; FARS; Nachum; LucyT; cripplecreek; onyx

Tuesday, July 20, 2010
Flight 93 father: Ground zero mosque is the SECOND mosque being built on a 9/11 site
Pamela Geller, who is leading the fight against the ground zero mosque in New York, has posted the following letter from Tom Burnett Senior.

To our fellow 9/11 families and to all who are concerned about the Ground Zero mega-mosque in New York:

We want everyone to know that the Park Service is right now building an even larger Islamic victory mosque atop the Flight 93 crash site. Many of you were outraged in 2005 when the Crescent of Embrace design was unveiled to be a half-mile wide Islamic shaped crescent:

Left: 2005 publicity shot of the Crescent of Embrace design. Right: typical Islamic crescent and star, viewed from a similar angle.

Few people know that this giant crescent actually points to Mecca, or understand the religious significance of this orientation. A crescent that points the direction to Mecca is a very familiar construct in the Islamic world. Because Muslims face Mecca for prayer, every mosque is built around a Mecca direction indicator called a mihrab. The classic mihrab is crescent shaped. Here are the two most famous mihrabs in the world:

Left: the Mihrab of the Prophet, at the Prophet’s mosque in Medina. Right: the mihrab of the Great Mosque in Cordoba Spain.

Face into the crescent to face Mecca

As with the Medina and Cordoba mihrabs, a person facing into the Crescent of Embrace will be facing Mecca. In the image below, superimposed red lines show the orientation of the Flight 93 crescent. The green qibla circle is from an online Mecca-direction calculator:

A person standing between the tips of the crescent and facing into the center of the crescent (red arrow) will be facing almost exactly in “qibla” direction (the Muslim prayer direction). You can verify the qibla direction from Somerset PA using any number of on-line Mecca-direction calculators.

To be precise, the Crescent of Embrace points 1.8° north of Mecca, ± a tenth of a degree. The final construction drawings alter this orientation slightly, so that instead of pointing a little less than two degrees north of Mecca, the actual crescent will point less than three degrees south of Mecca. Such small deviations from Mecca are insignificant by Islamic standards, which developed over a period of more than a thousand years during which far flung Muslims had no accurate way to determine the direction to Mecca.

The Park Service does not call the Crescent of Embrace a crescent anymore. Now they call it Circle of Embrace, but the only actual change was to add an extra arc of trees (planted to the rear of a person facing into the giant crescent) that explicitly represents a broken off part of the circle. The unbroken part of the circle, what symbolically remains standing in the wake of 9/11, is just the original Crescent of Embrace. It is still a giant Islamic shaped crescent, still pointing at Mecca.

This is the Park Service’s official explanation for the design: the terrorist attacks are depicted as smashing our peaceful circle and turning it into a giant crescent. A clearer depiction of Islamic victory is hard to imagine, so no one should be too surprised that the damned thing points to Mecca, and actually turns out to be a mosque.

Other mosque features

Mosque design is based on a dozen typical mosque features, every one of which is realized in the Crescent/Circle design, all on the same epic scale as the half mile wide crescent-mihrab. Note, for instance, that the 93 foot tall minaret-like Tower of Voices is topped with another Islamic-shaped crescent, akin to the crescent-topped minarets seen in many Islamic countries:

An Islamic shaped crescent, soaring in the sky above the symbolic lives of the 40 heroes, which literally dangle down below. In Islam, there is only heaven and hell. Symbolic damnation?

The Flight 93 mosque needs to be stopped, along with the Islamic victory mosque at ground zero in Manhattan. May the fight against these two desecrations strengthen each other.

Sincerely,

Tom Burnett Senior
Loving father of Flight 93 hero Tom Burnett Junior

Pamela’s Atlas Shrugs post includes a second letter from Mr. Burnett, thanking her for her help and passing on some information about the design selection process. (The vote for was 9 to 6 from a judging panel where family members were outnumbered 8-7 by left wing design professionals.)

Want to join our blogburst against the crescent mosque?

Just send your blog’s url.

There is also an online petition that people can sign.

Contact information for the Flight 93 Memorial Project here.

http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2010/07/flight-93-father-ground-zero-mosque-is.html


Tuesday, September 06, 2011

Muslim Consultants Lied to Park Service About Flight 911 Islamic Crescent Memorial

Let the record show that there were patriots and freedom lovers who opposed and fought for years against an Islamic crescent pointing towards Mecca as a “memorial” to the American heroes who brought down the last plane taken over by islamic terrorists. We know what it is.

Those brave souls on Flight 93 saved the Capitol. Clearly, an Islamic crescent memorial is a seditious insult to their heroic memory. Atlas has been very vocal against this insult for years, and many have been fighting this battle for quite some time. The leaders of the opposition, Tom Burnett Sr. (whose son Tom was one of those warriors who wrestled the plane away from the allahu akbar-screaming Muslims) and Alec Rawls, are on the vanguard of the fight.

The bottom line is, why a crescent? Why not a flag? Or a monument to the group who managed to wrest control of the aircraft away from the Muslim terrrists? A crescent pointing to Mecca? As if that weren’t bad enough, the dhimmi Park Service asked Muslim consultants and Islamic scholars for an honest consult? They can’t be that clueless; they must be complicit.

Shocka, the Muslims lied. Hey, they’re supposed to. It is taqiyya, it’s in the koran — lie to advance Islam.

Muslim consultants LIED to Park Service Error Theory
The Park Service enlisted three outside consultants to assess whether the Crescent of Embrace memorial to Flight 93 really can be seen as a giant mihrab: the Mecca-direction indicator around which every mosque is built. All three consultants, including two Islamic scholars, were blatantly and provably dishonest.

Consultant #1 (details below) confirmed to the Park Service that the giant crescent (now called a broken circle) does indeed point almost exactly at Mecca, then when asked about it by the press, denied that there is any such thing as the direction to Mecca (insisting that “you can face any direction to face Mecca”).

Consultant #2, a professor of Islamic architecture at MIT, lied about one of the most familiar of all Islamic doctrines, claiming that a legitimate mihrab must point exactly at Mecca. (The original Crescent of Embrace pointed less than 2° north of Mecca. The broken-circle “redesign” points less than 3° south of Mecca. Both highly accurate by Islamic standards.)

Consultant #3, a professor of sharia law at Indiana University (!), came up with an almost comically dishonest rationale for dismissing concern about the giant Mecca-oriented crescent: don’t worry, no one has ever seen a mihrab anywhere near this BIG before. Not so funny is the Park Service’s eagerness to embrace such a transparently ludicrous excuse.
The details are documented in a large advertisement that Alec Rawls and Tom Burnett Sr. are running this week in Somerset Pennsylvania as President Obama and the national press arrive in town for the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

The press has so far been unwilling to check even the most basic facts about the memorial, like whether the giant crescent really does point to Mecca (takes about 2 minutes). Maybe charges that the Park Service and its consultants are telling easily verifiable lies will be more up their alley.

That’s the hope, but a strong push might also make the difference. If you want to help, here are email addresses for the new Park Superintendent Keith Newlin and for a few Pennsylvania newspapers. You can write your own letter, or just copy the first four paragraphs above, and tell them that you want these charges checked!

Keith_Newlin@nps.gov, alec@rawls.org, swischnowski@phillynews.com, chepp@phillynews.com, ajohns@tribdem.com, cminemyer@tribdem.com, news@dailyamerican.com, skalson@post-gazette.com, TBirdsong@post-gazette.com, mcollier@sfchronicle.com, newsdesk@kpix.com

Ad copy, with links do documentation

After a brief primer on the giant Islamic crescent-and-star flag that the Park Service is building on the Flight 93 crash site, the ad exposes the three blatantly dishonest consultants that the Park Service invited to please pull the wool over their eyes:

Academic charlatan calculates the direction to Mecca, then tells the press that there is no such thing as the direction to Mecca

Here’s a novel way to deny that the giant crescent points to Mecca. Just deny that there is any such thing as the direction to Mecca. This from the Park Service’s first consultant, as reported by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:
Daniel Griffith, a geospatial information sciences professor at the University of Texas at Dallas, said anything can point toward Mecca, because the earth is round.
That is not an errant paraphrase. Griffith said the same thing to Tribune Democrat reporter Kirk Swauger:
He said you can face anywhere to face Mecca.
So when Muslims face Mecca for prayer, they are just deluding themselves? They could actually face any old direction and still be facing Mecca? Is there really no such thing as a direction on planet earth?

Griffith was lying of course, and the Park Service knew it, because the first thing Griffith’s report on the orientation of the Crescent of Embrace does is calculate the direction from Shanksville to Mecca:
I computed an azimuth value from the Flight 93 crater site to Mecca of roughly 55.20°.
“Azimuth” means direction, in degrees clockwise from north. Muslims calculate the direction to Mecca by the “great circle” or “shortest distance” method (”as the crow flies,” curving only in the over-the-horizon direction), and this is the method Griffith used. He also accepted that the Crescent in the original design drawings points a mere .62° away from Mecca (about a degree closer than it actually points, but no matter).

In short, Griffith confirmed the Mecca-orientation of the giant crescent, then denied it to the public, but the Park Service knew the truth, because they had Griffith’s actual report. Thus when the Park Service repeated Griffith’s denials that the giant crescent points to Mecca, they too were knowingly hiding the truth from the public. One example is the previous Park Superintendent Joanne Hanley. Asked directly whether the giant crescent points to Mecca she denied it, telling the Post Gazette that:
The only thing that orients the memorial is the crash site.
The Mecca-orientation of the giant crescent is clear evidence of an enemy plot to re-hijack Flight 93. The American people need to know the facts, while these public figures have worked desperately to keep the facts from them.

Muslim consultant from MIT lied about one of the most familiar of all Islamic doctrines, claiming Mecca-orientation must be exact

After Griffith verified that the crescent/broken-circle does indeed point almost exactly at Mecca, the Park Service asked two Islamic scholars whether there was any Islamic significance to this giant Mecca-oriented crescent. Could it by any chance be seen as a giant mihrab? After all, the archetypical mihrab IS crescent shaped.

The Park Service’s second consultant, a professor of Islamic and mosque architecture at M.I.T. named Nasser Rabbat, assured the Park Service that because the crescent does not point exactly at Mecca it cannot be seen as a mihrab:
Mihrab orientation is either correct or not. It cannot be off by some degrees.
That is a bald lie, and every practicing Muslim knows it. For most of Islam’s 1400 year history far-flung Muslims had no accurate way to determine the direction to Mecca. Thus it developed as a matter of religious principle that what matters is intent to face Mecca, with no requirement for precision in actually facing Mecca. Two or three degrees off is highly precise by Islamic standards. Many of the world’s most famous mihrabs face 20, 30, 40 or more degrees away from Mecca and it matters not one whit.

Every practicing Muslim knows that they only need to face very roughly towards Mecca for prayer because they are constantly availing themselves of this allowance when, five times a day, they seek out walls that they can pray towards that will leave them facing roughly towards Mecca. Not having to face exactly at Mecca for prayer is one of the most familiar of all Islamic doctrines.

Saudi religious authorities confirm: mihrab orientation does NOT have to be
exact
There’s more ....much more here.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/09/muslim-consultants-lied-to-park-service-about-flight-911-islamic-crescent-memorial.html

(worth a read)


42 posted on 09/06/2011 9:35:51 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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Most people are uncomfortable with black widow spiders.

Do we really need a poll for that?

The amount of resources in this country that go into sheer, utter, wasteful BS is mind boggling.


43 posted on 09/06/2011 9:39:26 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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More than 30,000 Somali Christians have been slaughtered by Somali Muslims in the last few months and another 300,000 have been left to starve. Doesn’t have to be American....just anyone who is a non-muslim is their target.


44 posted on 09/06/2011 9:44:39 PM PDT by ImNotLying
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YA THINK?


46 posted on 09/06/2011 11:03:54 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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I would expect that the percentage of rational non-muslims who feel uncomfortable around muslims would have increased significantly since, say, October, 2001/

Why?

Simple.

The amount of vocal condemnation of muslim wannabe killers by other muslims worldwide since then has been underwhelming.

Are all muslim latent killers?
Of course not.

But 60 -80% who approve of killing in the abstract (according to polls,) is enough so as to not really make a difference.

I am permanently hostile to all muslims until the sociopathic religion is replaced with a civilized version.

48 posted on 09/06/2011 11:43:25 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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53 posted on 09/07/2011 11:41:05 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, please let it rain in Texas. Amen.)
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Obey God.

Where did I read ...

No we should NOT tolerate other religions.
54 posted on 09/07/2011 2:27:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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