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Faith Leaders Meet with Obama to Protect Welfare State
The Foundry/Heritage Foundation ^ | July 23, 2011 | Ryan Messmore

Posted on 07/23/2011 8:36:01 PM PDT by Clairity

On July 20, 12 Christian leaders met with President Obama at the White House to voice concerns about the prospect of budget cuts to government welfare. The group included Jim Wallis of the liberal social justice organization Sojourners and representatives from the National Association of Evangelicals, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Salvation Army, and several humanitarian development agencies.

Finally, as critics have rightly noted, some religious leaders speak as if only government entitlements and transfer payments count as legitimate expressions of Christian charity. These leaders therefore ignore the tendency for government welfare programs to foster among those in need unhealthy dependence on the dole. They also ignore the way in which these programs often crowd out civil society efforts to fight poverty, leaving the poor with less personal and comprehensive care.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: budget; charity; deficit; entitlements; falsechristians; obama; poor; religion; welfare
They are crazy, if Obama and the Dems raise taxes, there will be fewer people being able or willing to make charitable donations.
1 posted on 07/23/2011 8:36:03 PM PDT by Clairity
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To: Clairity

Exactly!


2 posted on 07/23/2011 8:37:34 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Mr. Weiner...Don' t Tweet your meat. It's too late to delete!)
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To: Clairity

these are the one world religion,

not people of faith.


3 posted on 07/23/2011 8:39:36 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Clairity

Those so-called “faith leaders” need to quit lobbying Washington and go home and tell their congregations to:

take care of each other,

accept personal responsiblity,

don’t expect the government to take care of you,

or to do the good works that Jesus told YOU to do.

These so-called “faith” leaders are either socialists using religion to further their politics, or sadly ignorant of scripture.


4 posted on 07/23/2011 8:44:17 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Clairity

These so-called “church” leaders want the government coffers flowing to “help the poor” so they won’t have to dig into their own offering plates! Bottom line.


5 posted on 07/23/2011 8:45:27 PM PDT by Sister_T ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: Clairity

The National Association of Evangelicals hasn’t represented average evangelicals for a long time. Also, Jim Wallis is just a Marxist hack in Christian garb, AKA a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

While many denominations continue to be members, if you notice they only have 776 fans on FB. Yeah, that’s a real popular organization.


6 posted on 07/23/2011 8:49:11 PM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: ken21

“these are the one world religion, not people of faith.”

You’re right. It’s not mentioned that they said one mumbling word to Obama about his stance on abortion or same-sex marriage.

The writer of the piece hit the nail on the head too saying, “The fact that Jesus calls his followers to care for the poor is not a mandate for the government to expand the welfare state.” and

“Religious leaders could serve this discussion better by modeling more discernment in their application of ancient biblical wisdom to modern policy issues.”


7 posted on 07/23/2011 8:50:59 PM PDT by abcc2011 (Christian and conservative.)
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To: RecoveringPaulisto

I am really disappointed that the Salvation Army participated as well.


8 posted on 07/23/2011 8:53:13 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: abcc2011

Show me a religion that’s not simply a theological socialist organization. You are absolutely right, we need people of faith, not organized religions. Most of them remind me of the biblical passage paraphrasing: “ many draw near to Me with their lips, but their hearts they are far from Me.”


9 posted on 07/23/2011 9:13:12 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: abcc2011

Show me a religion that’s not simply a theological socialist organization. You are absolutely right, we need people of faith, not organized religions. Most of them remind me of the biblical passage paraphrasing: “ many draw near to Me with their lips, but their hearts they are far from Me.”


10 posted on 07/23/2011 9:17:00 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. ~ 2 Corinthians 9:7

Giving individually, not collectively.

Government coercion, confiscation, and redistribution is not cheerful giving. Neither is greed and class envy, which are traits of those who embrace government control.

11 posted on 07/23/2011 9:47:19 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Amen!


12 posted on 07/23/2011 9:50:07 PM PDT by Sister_T ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: Clairity; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; ...
RE :”On July 20, 12 Christian leaders met with President Obama at the White House to voice concerns about the prospect of budget cuts to government welfare. The group included Jim Wallis of the liberal social justice organization Sojourners and representatives from the National Association of Evangelicals, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Salvation Army, and several humanitarian development agencies. The timing of the meeting was significant. One day earlier, the so-called “Gang of Six” in the Senate announced its proposal to address the budget deficit—a proposal that did not confront the explosive growth in anti-poverty spending that is contributing to our nation’s fiscal crisis. And shortly after talking with the religious leaders on Wednesday, President Obama entered budget meetings with congressional leaders. The Christian leaders used their 40 minutes with the President to discuss the Circle of Protection, an ecumenical statement that asks for government anti-poverty programs to be walled off from budget-reduction debates. According to Wallis, “The most vulnerable need a special exemption from all spending cuts.… We told President Obama that this is what God requires of all of us.
Faith Leaders Meet with Obama to Protect Welfare State

'Jesus would ask Rome to raise taxes on the rich to keep the poor on welfare' Jim Wallace ping!

13 posted on 07/23/2011 9:51:34 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Clairity
So am I. I'd always respected the Salvation Army, even shopped there and dropped a little change in their bucket from time to time.

Now I feel like printing up green protest bills which look like currency with this message:

If you want it from Obama, you won't get it from me.

Lips which kiss a Marxist ass are not fit to kiss Jesus.

14 posted on 07/23/2011 9:55:04 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Clairity

strip every one of them of their tax exempt status!!!

Eliminate welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, medical care for the welfare, and the earned income tax credit for starters!


15 posted on 07/23/2011 9:59:41 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Clairity
Christian leaders met with President Obama at the White House to voice concerns about the prospect of budget cuts to government welfare.

Then they are not "Christian leaders" because welfare is destructive to charity.

16 posted on 07/23/2011 10:23:56 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Clairity
I am really disappointed that the Salvation Army participated as well.

If that is true they have received my last contribution, until they repent, publicly.

17 posted on 07/23/2011 10:26:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Clairity

It seems to me that welfare is the exact opposite of wht the bible teaches us.Charity is supposed to be given from the heart not taken at gunpoint by the state.Weren’t we told that if a man will not work he shall not eat?


18 posted on 07/23/2011 10:40:37 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: dalereed

AMEN!


19 posted on 07/23/2011 10:43:01 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Clairity
I am really disappointed that the Salvation Army participated as well.

The Army occasionally makes some bonheaded decisions. Contracting with the state to provide services stands out chief among them. Supporting government welfare is in direct conflict with the importance of putting a face on mercy. They know better.

20 posted on 07/23/2011 11:28:58 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: Clairity

I guess these leaders never got as far as the 10 commandments in their studies. Thou shall not covet other people’s stuff. Not even for what you consider good reasons.


21 posted on 07/24/2011 5:22:44 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Carry_Okie; Clairity

You need to tell Salvation Army how you feel. Won’t do any good if they don’t know.


22 posted on 07/24/2011 5:51:59 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
The Salvation Army National Headquarters
615 Slaters Lane
P.O. Box 269
Alexandria, VA 22313

Dear Sirs,

I noted with dismay that the Salvation Army was represented among Christian leaders who met with President Obama at the White House on July 12 to express concerns about the prospect of budget cuts to government welfare. I thought you knew that funds conscripted by force are not charity; indeed, they are destructive to charity, inherently antithetical to its function.

Until the New Deal, government social services were virtually unknown. America relied upon two principal means to provide assistance to those in need: families and local private charities, especially churches. These small private charitable institutions (we are not talking about United Way here) seek one thing in dispensing assistance that government does not:

They desire (if not demand) that the recipient become self-supporting as soon as possible.

Sources of private social services are structurally motivated to help the needy get better (if possible) because they don't want to part with money and effort without cause. If the cause of dependency is voluntary, one should expect that the recipient should repent of counterproductive behavior before offering assistance. That is what the Salvation Army stood for from its inception.

It's truly sad that this can't be said about most government social services agencies, some of which structurally prevent recipients from freeing themselves from public assistance. Similarly, the people who work for these agencies don't have jobs without customers. Without a steady supply of the needy, the criminal, or the sick, social welfare budgets dry up and the jobs blow away. Meanwhile, the extremely wealthy with an interest in government influence end up as the financial beneficiaries of public support for social welfare. Thus, these programs have no reason to discontinue while they impoverish the middle class. To support such policy is immoral.

From Noah ‘finding grace in the sight of the Lord” in Genesis 6 to Christ’s forgiveness of the thief on the cross, without repentance, there is no relief from sin. Never once did Jesus ask if the cause of distress He was to heal was without fault; indeed, He said He often announced that those receiving the Father’s healing were forgiven at the moment they were healed.

Isn’t it obvious that public policies have been destructive to families and private charities? Isn't it obvious that they structurally abet immoral and self destructive behaviors? They have cost America incalculable wealth from which charity originates, whether in lost productivity or the cost of government services simply because of the motivational differences between private social services and a professional bureaucracy. Therefore, this action on the part of the Salvation Army, supposedly on behalf of the poor, is equally self-destructive, destructive to the poor, and especially destructive to America as a whole because of the moral force it has historically exemplified, until now.

I do not support self-destructive and immoral behavior without repentance of it. Hence, I will no longer support the Salvation Army with my donations. It truly saddens me that this great institution of private giving has been reduced to this pass.

Please repent,

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23 posted on 07/24/2011 7:10:54 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

BTTT,

Of course, GWB opened the door to this with the thought “those other charities are getting in line for govt reimbursement, so why not us too?”

And now that the govt is bankrupt, the charities can’t bear to have Big Momma’s breast, filled with the milk of human coercion, drawn away from them, and so they clamor too that the deficit reductions should not affect them.


24 posted on 07/24/2011 8:45:28 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: sickoflibs
i guess these asshats are more concerned with appeasing the bambam and protecting their tax staus than they are about actually receiving charitable donations...

the socialist indoctrination has finally matured...

25 posted on 07/24/2011 10:42:48 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Carry_Okie

Good for you.


26 posted on 07/24/2011 10:49:28 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Clairity; All

GRRRRREAT thread! Thanks to EVERY poster. BTTT! DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.


27 posted on 07/24/2011 8:22:57 PM PDT by PGalt
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