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'Nice old man' dies in Fairfield market robbery
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | June 29, 2011 | Henry K. Lee

Posted on 06/29/2011 12:35:26 PM PDT by artichokegrower

The 70-year-old owner of a Fairfield market whom neighbors would see reading the Bible in his store died after being attacked and pepper-sprayed during a robbery, police said.

The victim, whose name was not immediately released, was working at the Travis Dairy at 140 East Travis Blvd. when he was confronted by three men at about 7:50 p.m. Tuesday, police said.

The men attacked him and stole the cash register, a video recorder and other items before leaving in a brown or tan late-model Honda or similar vehicle, said police Lt. Greg Hurlbut. The robbers pepper-sprayed the owner, police said.

Investigators said the suspects were black men in their late teens.

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Close to Travis Air Force Base. Gotta arm yourself.
1 posted on 06/29/2011 12:35:31 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

The Amish acting up again.


2 posted on 06/29/2011 12:37:29 PM PDT by Obadiah (If you don't believe you can win, there is no point in getting out of bed at the end of the day.)
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My guess that once the black male perps in these Obama mobs actually start taking out the special people the libs actually like then all hell is gonna break loose in the Dem party.


3 posted on 06/29/2011 12:44:55 PM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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No city for nice old men.


4 posted on 06/29/2011 12:45:21 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: artichokegrower

The use of pepper spray as an offensive weapon seems to be getting more common.

Other than a gun, is there any recognized effective defense against a pepper spray attack?

Anybody know?


5 posted on 06/29/2011 12:48:31 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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One of the many reasons I’m glad that God is just and justice will happen.


6 posted on 06/29/2011 12:48:45 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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A wall of plexiglass.


7 posted on 06/29/2011 12:50:17 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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A wall of plexiglass

Not very helpful advice for folks walking home, etc.

I'm just wondering if some smart self-defense guy hasn't come up with a counter to (or some advice about) a pepper spray attack.

IMHO it's worth considering because this is not the first time I've read about thugs attacking with pepper spray.

8 posted on 06/29/2011 12:59:51 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Steely Tom

Folks, preparee yourself. The savages are reverting to their roots. Look where they come from and it will tell you all you need to know. When Obama is defeated there will be bloody riots. Mark my word. It will happen if not sooner.


9 posted on 06/29/2011 1:01:58 PM PDT by papageo
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‘They must have been crazy to attack an old man.’ No, EVIL.


10 posted on 06/29/2011 1:05:21 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Leaning Right

We can’t all wear face shields all the time.
I believe the cops carry a form of neutralizer for when they get some “blowback” , but that’s impractical as well.


11 posted on 06/29/2011 1:08:51 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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‘They must have been crazy to attack an old man.’ No, EVIL.


12 posted on 06/29/2011 1:08:59 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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“.....defense against a pepper spray attack?”

A preemptive spray of lead.


13 posted on 06/29/2011 1:09:20 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (Most leftism can be traced to childhood birthday trauma)
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My guess that once the black male perps in these Obama mobs actually start taking out the special people the libs actually like then all hell is gonna break loose in the Dem party.

I understand why you might think that, but you're wrong.

14 posted on 06/29/2011 1:09:46 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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I’m beginning to detect a pattern in news stories.


15 posted on 06/29/2011 1:10:24 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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The savages are more active as law enforcement continues as a big joke.


16 posted on 06/29/2011 1:11:53 PM PDT by 2007 Crusader (2007 Crusader)
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It's certainly a shame about the deceased, but it looks like this was probably preventable with adequate foresight. I presume the "video recorder" stolen was recording the security camera(s)' input. Major failure to think this through! It's pointless to advertise the recording of video of robberies as a deterrent (which is the only sensible reason for installing a recorder) if you let the robbers steal the video recorder, too!

We lock our recorders in our stores' time-delay safes. If the robbers want to wait around for fifteen minutes to get at our recorders, then I guess they're welcome to try. No one has bothered, though, in the fifteen years since we first began doing that.

17 posted on 06/29/2011 1:20:58 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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For future reference, wouldn’t this story had a much better ending, had it been, “Three robbers gunned down while trying to rob 70-year-old man”.

Old people need guns, too.


18 posted on 06/29/2011 1:31:24 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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I'm just wondering if some smart self-defense guy hasn't come up with a counter to (or some advice about) a pepper spray attack.

The attacker always has an advantage, regardless of his weapon of choice. He is a peaceful citizen right until the moment his knife enters your side. You can't, legally or morally, attack him until at least you see the aggressive move - and there is less than a second for you to act. Besides, this is CA, so you can't effectively defend yourself.

The only solution that I see (and use) is to always have some good distance between you and suspects. If the suspected attackers are close to you, you are done for even if you have five Glocks on you and have a license to kill. Perhaps a karate master can fight them off; but that requires years of training, and in general it is not that useful a skill unless you fight a lot and your opponents have no firearms.

This means that you must use your car wherever you go. Avoid stopping anywhere that is not your destination. Your car is not a perfect castle, but it has a couple of advantages over being on foot.

19 posted on 06/29/2011 1:32:31 PM PDT by Greysard
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No city for nice old men.

Nope. Fairfield used to be nice. Then they built a lot of cheap housing and attracted a bunch of punks and gangs from SF and Oakland. My brother-in-law lived there as a reservist, as it is close to Travis. Wasn't good for his family, now in Colorado and safer. While in Fairfield, they heard gunshots and police helicopters with regularity.

20 posted on 06/29/2011 1:42:44 PM PDT by roadcat
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