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1 posted on 05/07/2011 9:03:04 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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Reliving the mistakes of the 1920s, one day at a time.....


2 posted on 05/07/2011 9:08:24 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: AtlasStalled

The REAL threat is and has been the MORONS in government who have permitted our sieve-like southern border to pour these criminals in here in the first place.

And when the next dirty nuke or biological attack comes down, killing thousands of us, take comfort in knowing that the device(s) used were almost certainly hauled across the Rio Grande by muzzies masquerading as amigos.

Is this a great country or what?


3 posted on 05/07/2011 9:09:51 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (2012 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH FOR ME. HOW ABOUT YOU?)
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To: AtlasStalled
They exaggerate.

The War on Some Drugs is working perfectly.

Just because narcotics dollars have enabled the traffickers to be better armed and funded than every nation south of our border and engulfed them in a sea of violence and corruption doesn't mean it's going to happen here, and it certainly doesn't mean we should change anything we are doing.

If anything, we should make more substances illegal so the traffickers can expand their markets. What's good for the drug dealers is good for the War on Some Drugs.

4 posted on 05/07/2011 9:12:20 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Under Islam, there is no separation of church and state. The church IS the state.)
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To: AtlasStalled

The greatest threat lives in the White House.


5 posted on 05/07/2011 9:13:57 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER
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1) Tie drug tests to government entitlements. Test positive? No housing, no welfare, no medical care. Nothing.
2) Legalize all drugs.

The order of these steps is important.

If people want to use drugs, then they need to take full responsibility for the outcomes. I don't want the State to be their parent -- and that cuts both ways.

7 posted on 05/07/2011 9:18:04 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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Good article, thanks.

I think that our legal system is at crisis point right now.

US criminal laws and court precedents are designed to cover mostly individual criminals.

Organized crime was a problem and RICO laws were put on the books to try to give the legal system a way to handle “organized crime.”

What we have today is highly organized criminal enterprises, that have bought politicians, police (in Mexico), and military influence and further have through the use of military trained mercenaries and those they train from the ranks of criminals created international terrorist organizations.

When criminal drug cartels, have the protection of the Mexican military, have former Mexican special forces hit men, have rocket propelled grenades, submarines, and other equipment, we are talking about something that needs to be fought in a different venue and by different rules than the local sheriff getting a complaint from a citizen about something odd happening along a road.

Going after the drug cartels only addresses the supply side of the equation and not the demand side.

The phase “War on Drugs” needs to be either taken real seriously and we need to establish a military “kill on sight” approach to the supply side of the problem or we need to rethink the total approach.

I was talking to a friend and we were discussing how as long as there was huge money to be made in drugs and a huge US source of people in the US willing to pay for those drugs, that things would be difficult (i.e. the demand side). Lately this country has focused mostly on stopping the supply of drugs.

To some extent we have at time in various places worked hard as a society to put drug users in jail. Currently, the damage to society by drug users, doesn't seem to cause political pressure or peer pressure on the users to stop them. Currently, putting drug users in jail as a deterrent to use doesn't seem to be working well.

The drug supply issue has become a problem requiring a “military response” that has not yet been legislated and accepted by the public. Similarly, the supply side of the problem has not been adequately addressed. When drug use brings shame and forced prison conditions that people fear, then the problem will be controlled.

The only other reasonable alternative, I see is to decriminalized it and turn drug supply over to large corporations with tight government regulation (which really doesn't appeal to me). While one may think that the various drug cartels are ruthless, I think that given the millions in potential profits, once could count on Phillip Morris, and other major corporations driving the illegal gangs out of business.

8 posted on 05/07/2011 9:26:15 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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Raid the Mexican drug lords like they went after Osama in Pakistan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJkMX9Mle-0


9 posted on 05/07/2011 9:26:53 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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The greater threat is that Hezbollah has established themselves with the Mexican Cartels. They have significant presence in Tijuana just outside San Diego. And you wonder why they are beheading people. The drug trade is supporting not just drugs but terrorists who have access to US cities, just as the cartels do.

click here

14 posted on 05/07/2011 9:53:30 AM PDT by BigFinn
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Institute Ike’s “Operation Wetback” on a national scale. Heck, privatize the operation. Let citizens collect a bounty.


16 posted on 05/07/2011 9:59:45 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: AtlasStalled

That is BS.

Drugs are a threat but Islam is the problem.

This reminds me of Napolitano calling domestic (White Boy McVeigh style) unrest as big a danger as Islam.


20 posted on 05/07/2011 10:04:44 AM PDT by wardaddy (ok...Trump beating on Obama---Sarah----Michelle.....any of them are ok for now---tain't picky)
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To: AtlasStalled

The cartels make tons of money through the smuggling of illegal aliens. The USA needs to crack on that. As for the drugs, Americans can grow their own marijuana.


21 posted on 05/07/2011 10:07:36 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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The War of Drug is a load of crap. It cannot be won because most of the US does not have the stomach for what needs to be done. That means securing the border, putting dope dealers of every level in prison for natural life

OR

Legalize everything, put the cartels out of business, and provide safe places for the addicts to go and get their fix, which the taxpayer would foot, but they would not pay for medical attention.

The overdoses deaths will be tremendous but it made public, it might actually sway some people’s decision to partake.

The Fed says they want to fight the war on drugs but they keep raising the threshhold for prosecution.

The WOD cannot be won the way we are doing now...


26 posted on 05/07/2011 12:19:04 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: AtlasStalled

Barn. Door


29 posted on 05/07/2011 12:38:06 PM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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It isn’t the DEMAND that’s a threat to anything, “General” (of a war you can’t win.)

It’s the fact you have restricted supply and made it profitable to supply the demand.

War on Poverty? Failure.
War on Drugs? Failure.
War on Terror? Failure.

Everytime you fight one of these “Wars” you lose, everything gets worse, and we lose freedom at a high cost in dollars and rights.


31 posted on 05/07/2011 2:46:41 PM PDT by EvasiveManuever (Shakespeare got it wrong. Not the lawyers... journalists.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Just shut down the friggin’ border with our troops. Force everything through legal ports of entry. When they fire a shot at our efforts, hit ‘em with a couple of warheads until they shut up. It’s that simple.


48 posted on 05/07/2011 9:18:31 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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