Is Barack Obama actually not in this photo of Barack Obama?

Salon ^ | 4/7/2001 | Alex Pareene

[Kleon]

Jack Cashill, the right-wing journalist currently winning the national game of "'prove' the most outlandish thing you possibly can about Barack Obama" with his both his theory that Bill Ayers ghost-wrote "Dream From My Father" and his claim that the president's father was actually Jimi Hendrix, dropped a bombshell today: Barack Obama is not actually in a photo of Barack Obama and his grandparents.

[Fred Nerks]

You have been suckered in by an article by SALON!

(Newser) – An author on a mission to prove President Obama is a fraud asserts that a widely circulated photo of Barack Obama with his grandparents is a fake. In his YouTube video, Jack Cashill explains that Obama has been Photoshopped to appear between his grandparents, and he offers up what he says is the “original” Obama-less photo as proof. Trouble is, as Media Matters delights in pointing out, you can still see Obama’s knee between them. (The rest of his body has magically disappeared, though.)

Alex Pareene at Salon picks up the case: “What was Barack Obama’s knee doing in New York, while the rest of him was in Pakistan, and Indonesia? Dealing drugs? Why are mainstream journalists afraid to ask tough questions about the president’s detachable knee? The people have a right to know!” Click to read his full column. See the Cashill video and the “before and after” photos at left

WATCH THE CASHILL VIDEO:

http://www.newser.com/story/115902/obama-grandparents-photo-jack-cashill-asserts-its-a-fake-but-photoshop-mistake-suggests-otherwise.html

[patlin]

I don’t do Salon’s, I have a private beautician that comes to my home. But thanks for thinking of me.

[Girlene]

No one knows when Mark was born or where...he claims to be younger than zero.

Thanks, Fred. For the story that's been presented, Mark should be younger than obama since he was the offspring of Ruth and Barack Sr. after Sr. left Hawaii. Have you ever found when he went to college in the US? I haven't been able to find out when he received any of his degrees to work backwards to come up with an approximate age.

I found this photo of Mark and David as children. How old do you think they are?


This photo is supposed to be David. The caption says he was born 1968, died 1982. He died in a motorcycle accident when he was 14?



That boy has eyes more similar to Mark, which looks about right, than is obvious from the toddler photo above. Anyway, if David was allegedly born in 1968, based on the toddler's photo above, wouldn't that make Mark born around 66 or 67?

According to most reports, Ruth moved back to Kenya with Sr. in 1965, married there, and had both sons in Kenya. Okay, that could fit. They separated in 1971. Wikipedia That would make Mark about 5 (maybe six), wouldn't it? He remembers his father's abusive treatment of his mother, himself, and his brother, David at this age? Very possible, but there's a lot happening in this short timeline.

Here's an article written in November, 2009 that says he was 43 at that time. Obama's half brother describes abuse That would indicate he was born sometime before Nov, 1966.

Just trying to understand all the timelines, here.

[Girlene]

Found this reference that Mark was born in Nov, 1965, but no link to say where that info came from. O Timeline

1995 Mark O Ndesandjo, born Nov 1965, listed at 2243 19th Av, San Francisco, California 94116-0801 (1993); listed at 142, Palo Alto, California 94302-0101 in 1990; alternately at 672 Chiquita Front House Av, Mountain View, California 94041

[bushpilot1]

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=xQVmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6Y8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=6596,1619003&dq=two+citizen+parents&hl=en

[Fred Nerks]

This family group shows the kenyan and Ruth with two children. The darker child appears to be about four years of age, the lighter, younger, about one year old?

And here's Ruth with Mark as a baby.

Now ask yourself is it possible those two children had the same parents? And there are several years between their ages, right?

Now look again at the image of the two little boys:

The darker child is the same as the older child in the family group.

There appears to be only a FEW MONTHS between their ages...so that lighter child CANNOT BE 'DAVID' of whom only one image exists...and his birth and death year vary according to the website...

The child identified as 'David' in the 'two little boys' image is, IMO, actually zero...compared to the child shown in the 'toddler image' the resemblance is there.

I think that makes it clear there WERE THREE boys, the dark one, Mark and Zero...but if you can find a 'David' please show me...I can't!

Everywhere one looks, one only finds more questions.

Mark Ndesanjo was at Stanford, his name is mentioned in the following link:

SOURCE

IIRC, Mark was about eight years of age when his parents separated. As for 'following the timelines' it's IMPOSSIBLE.

[patlin]

good find, too bad they don’t use “natural born”

[Girlene]

Thanks, Fred. I hadn't seen the photos of Ruth before.

Now ask yourself is it possible those two children had the same parents? And there are several years between their ages, right? It is possible since children of mixed race couples can have varying degrees of lightness/darkness. The difference in ages in the one with all four, also may not be that significant....can't tell.

Mark has a more pronounced widow's peak than the younger toddler, but the younger toddler does have a slight one. These photos of obama also shows a slight widow's peak.



It appears Sr. and Stanley both have slight widow's peaks with Stanley's being more pronounced.

I can't wrap my head around "why" or "how" the boy associated with David could be "zero". Mark would have to be older than zero. Ruth would have had to meet Sr. earlier than SAD. Why would zero be in the photo with Sr's family? How could Mark pull off saying/getting by with being that much older without it being known by someone?

Why would either SAD or Ruth be involved with the other's child? zero and David DO look a lot alike - if they have the same father, that makes sense. zero looks a lot like Stanley, as well.

Nothing about obama or his "biography" totally adds up. What do you think is the "Why" behind David/zero being the same person? IOW, what was the purpose of there being a David in the Ruth/Sr family, if he didn't exist?

[this is my country]

I'm just calling it out for what it is so we can focus on the constitutional issue so it doesn't happen again.

So that's it? We just fold up our tents and say fool me once shame on me? Your saying the statue of limitations on this sort of thing is past? There is no recourse? So he just skates away and that's that. Since you bring up the constitution, should we just ignore the constitutional qualifications of the man behind the curtain? Which articles and amendments should we pick and choose to have meaning? What will you say if he is re-elected?

[patlin]

A photo that has been chiopped up & editted with photo shop to support a theory that it is fake without evidence an underlying one exists is not going to remove the usurper. Do I want him reelected? Hell NO! I have been working since 2008 to remove him. But since that now is not likely to happen until 2012, I am working to educate people to keep it from happening ever again...

http://www.constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com

[patlin]

This doesn’t wash as those children were born either prior to or during the revolutionary period while under the Articles of Confederation. They were born prior to the US Constitution, therefore, those children would have fallen under the grandfather clause because at the time of the adoption of the US Constitution, they were already citizens. “Natural born” only pertains to children born after Sept 27, 1789.

[Ditter]

I don't know anything about photoshop but I did read the other thread when the photo with obama between the grandparents was picked to pieces. I do agree that Stanleys left hand in that photo doesn't look right. Where did the person who combined the 2 photos get the photo of Stanley's hand? Could that hand have come from another photo? As few actual photos of obozo as we have seen where did they snatch the one of him sitting? Have we seen that actual pose of him sitting on a sofa in another photo? So many questions!

[paulycy]

So many questions!

Yes, the questions are never ending and once a photo hits the internet there is virtually no way of figuring out the truth. Oh, maybe once in awhile some serious professionals can do some serious analysis based on mathematics and stuff that I don't understand but us ordinary citizens can't figure out who messed with what because the images are all digital and almost anything is possible.

Photoshoppers at various skill levels can find any number of photographic errors but ultimately we don't know where the original pictures came from, as you point out. And bits and pieces can come from anywhere. That's how I do my (very amateurish) stuff and where the grandfather's hand probably came from: somewhere else.

[bgill]

Here's the same jacket from the grandparaents in the park and in Kenya. That means, if we're to take the pictures as fact, then the timeframe was close to both events. The Kenyan pic is supposedly '87. Notice, this pic with the grandparents is not as cropped as most of them.

Here's another one I'm assuming is from that same Kenyan trip (same tan pants?) showing his ring. Anyone thinking it's his wedding ring with Michelle is mistaken.

[Ditter]

In the picture with the grandparents obozo’s left knee and left pant leg looks different. Maybe your picture is better/bigger than mine. Notice anything?

[paulycy]

Those are interesting pictures. I haven’t seen them before. Barack sure got around for being a poor, unknown, abandoned child...

[bgill]

Yeah, that's what's being said around the internet but I don't necessarily see that. What I do see is that from this perspective, Madelyn's thighs to her knees appear to be sticking further out than Obama’s and she was supposed to be a small woman. Obama’s right knee sticks out further than Stanley's so one would think his left would stick out further than his little short grandmother's. Also, the shadow from her right elbow onto Obama’s left hand seems odd. Stanley's clothing shadows are darker shades of blue/gray and her shadows are dark reds except for the black shadow on Obama’s hand. But that's just me looking at it so someone else with photoshop can probably manipulate it better than my old eyesight. What I also see is Stanley's left hand and arm are goofy.

The top gray colored rock to the left of Stanley's right ear is dipped down which is strange. There is a long shot of the wall somewhere on FR that shows a long straight stretch of the wall and in that pic there is no dip. Of course this could have been taken in a different place along the wall but why is the supposedly one and only dip is in an Obama pic (adding to the long list of exceptions to the rule and oddities surrounding anything to do with the usurper). Plus why does the entire color and pattern of the rock change behind Stanley? Just another convenient coinky-dink? And, Madelyn looks to be in a more comfortable pose when she's placed leaning next to Stanley rather than Obama.

Look at the shadows cast by their legs onto the ground. There is shadow around Stanley's feet and his chest is casting a shadow between his legs. Obama is skinny so his torso isn't casting a shadow between his legs but his legs (mainly thighs) are casting the shadow by his feet. Now, look at Madelyn's shadow - or rather lack of shadow. Why aren't her thighs and skirt casting a shadow over the ground around her feet?

[Ditter]

It is very strange to say the least. I had not seen the 5 finger tips on Madalyn's left elbow in both pictures, until you mentioned it. My pictures do not include all of their feet and the ground around them. The dark lump on the bench between the grandparents becomes obozo’s left knee when he is inserted into the picture. You do not see the edge of the bench in the picture of the grandparents alone, but there is defiantly a dark lump there, maybe a package. Strange.

[Fred Nerks]

It is possible since children of mixed race couples can have varying degrees of lightness/darkness. The difference in ages in the one with all four, also may not be that significant....can't tell.

If the younger child Ruth is holding is Mark, and both children DID have the same parents, the darker child, being several years older...who is he?

Mark has a more pronounced widow's peak than the younger toddler, but the younger toddler does have a slight one. These photos of obama also shows a slight widow's peak.

That's not a lot to go on...at least Mark resembles his father -

It appears Sr. and Stanley both have slight widow's peaks with Stanley's being more pronounced.

If you mean Stanley Armour Dunham, I see no resembalance:

I can't wrap my head around "why" or "how" the boy associated with David could be "zero". Mark would have to be older than zero. Ruth would have had to meet Sr. earlier than SAD. Why would zero be in the photo with Sr's family? How could Mark pull off saying/getting by with being that much older without it being known by someone?

That difficulty only exists because the MYTH requires you to see the older, darker boy in the family group as MARK...where-as MARK is the younger, lighter child she is holding.

Why would either SAD or Ruth be involved with the other's child? zero and David DO look a lot alike - if they have the same father, that makes sense. zero looks a lot like Stanley, as well.

There must have been a time when zero, as a little boy was sitting next to the darker, older child. The question remains, where was that photograph of the two little boys taken? Their ages are ONLY MONTHS APART. They CANNOT BE BROTHERS.

Nothing about obama or his "biography" totally adds up. What do you think is the "Why" behind David/zero being the same person? IOW, what was the purpose of there being a David in the Ruth/Sr family, if he didn't exist?

That's what I am trying to understand. There were three little boys. It seems the baby-sitter was telling the truth when she said she babysat for ANNA OBAMA when her own daughter was 18 months old. Her daughter was born in July 1959. That places the baby-sitting in JANUARY 1961.

Stanley Ann Dunham would have been still in High School when THAT child was conceived.

[bgill]

It’s rather confusing, but the story is that the picture of the three of them had already been photoshopped (adding Obama) before it ever hit the internet - something about there not being any happy little family pictures so he needed one created so enhance the racially diverse family myth. Someone, I don’t recall the site or whom it was, worked it through some software program and took the three people pic, cropping out Obama, and tried to return it to a two people pic. That’s why the two people pic is also goofy. Don’t try to analyze it because the person who made it is up front with it being a fake. He admits to fiddling with it and was just trying to see what the original should have look like.

Wait, here’s the guy who did it. He explains it pretty well in the article and the video:

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2011/04/obamas-fake-family-photo-obama-photoshopped-into-central-park-bench-photo-with-grandparents/