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No More Tea?
National Review On-Line ^ | March 31, 2011 | Michael Barone

Posted on 04/02/2011 9:06:20 AM PDT by Twotone

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To: Twotone

This is why people like Christie do well. I hate to say it, but if you don’t grab the megahorn and make the press report you, the MSM will bury conservatives.

The MSM is still very powerful.


41 posted on 04/02/2011 10:25:35 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: bboop

There are a lot of us out here that are not in an “official” tea party YET. We are here and watching and supporting. The day will come when we will all man the barricades.


42 posted on 04/02/2011 10:26:39 AM PDT by Himyar
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To: Twotone

Barone doesn’t know what he’s talking about. TEA is a living, breathing organism and just because things are quiet in one part of the country doesn’t mean there isn’t activity in another part. But that’s our strength. And 2 million people marching in DC isn’t going to be a daily occurrence, as we all have jobs and other responsibilities. A couple hundred people is a great crowd, as any FReeper will tell you.


43 posted on 04/02/2011 10:35:19 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.conservativedna.com/)
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To: Mygirlsmom

“A tireless vocal minority” That is what will restore the Constitutional Republic. The Tea Party is not retreating they are just taking on fuel.


44 posted on 04/02/2011 11:00:51 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Twotone

I have noticed an increase in the number of articles that “prove” the TEA Party is on the way out.
I believe last November is starting to sink in and the communists are seeing actual withering and rollback of the “liberal progressive” breakthrough with The Øne leading the educated believers to glorious victory, blah blah... so on and so on.

They seem to believe that if they can “get rid of the TEA Party” then they will have their communist utopia.

This will get worse over time and individual attacks of violence such as rocks through windows and moderate physical hits and such as the email death threats that have, so far as I know, still not resulted in an arrest of the know and confessed perp, will morph into group violence against the “hater” conservatives.

As it becomes clear that 2010 will repeat itself in 2012 and either bammy is kicked to the curb or given enough voter fraud, illegals voting, etc, bammy is still in office, the House and Senate will be republican and the House strongly conservative resulting in bammy getting parked in a permanent time-out, the communists will perceive The Øne as being wronged by the “racist hater TEA Party conservatives” and will come unglued at the slightest of political inconveniences or reality checks and easily lapse into mindless violence.

That’s too bad because the “TEA Party” ain’t nothing but most all common sense American Citizens and the communists are surrounded by them every day and will never be able to “get rid” of them.

It’s going to get rough around 2012…


45 posted on 04/02/2011 11:05:18 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: bboop

” Do not ever think we are gone.”

The hope in elites and the enemy that we may be frustrated into inaction is testament to their delusion. The Tea party’s outrage is intellectual and moral and goes deep down into the soul. In fact the elites want to get down on their knees and PRAY that they don’t succede tactically in shutting down the Tea Party.


46 posted on 04/02/2011 11:12:26 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: bray
Indeed, I agree. It's a classic "go-for-broke" strategy. One or the other side is going to win big, the other will lose big. The problem is, the Left is fully aware of the game that's being played and the consequences of losing. The "country class" is only beginning to wake up.

The Left has managed to pour much of concrete that will found a socialist America. They know that if the concrete hardens for a few years, we'll never get rid of it. If they can temporize long enough, their goals will be achieved. People like you me will be left to fight a twilight struggle against the inevitable.

Yes, we must pray for America. I continue to think that some sort of divine intervention will have save the day for us. In the meantime we just have to fight the good fight, as they say.

47 posted on 04/02/2011 11:12:26 AM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.")
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To: Twotone

I think a ratchet has clicked and there’s a “new normal” of heightened vigilance for TEA party people and conservatives generally, even if at a particular moment they aren’t in a kinetic mode, to use Obama’s word. I don’t think the TEA party is anything like spent. It’s just simmering.


48 posted on 04/02/2011 11:25:08 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Twotone

We had another meeting just this morning.

The message in the coming year will be “more, faster”.


49 posted on 04/02/2011 11:34:43 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Freedom is saying "No!" to the Feds, and getting away with it. "Speak 'NO' to Power!")
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To: Twotone

If the Republicans don’t get out there & clearly make the case for less powerful unions, they are going to get cut down in the backlash. The Stupid Party strikes again...


Umm....maybe the GOP should try to cut spending and limit government first. all these politicians going after unions are neglecting cutting spending and big government


50 posted on 04/02/2011 11:52:09 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (No, supporting Communist China is not a "conservative idea".)
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To: ex-snook

By that logic, we should follow the Obama plan and have another stimulus to create more government jobs and fund state government jobs that deficit ridden states should be cutting.The Obama and Dem philosophy is that if you place someone in a government job and pay him with taxpayer revenues, it will create revenue for the economy when the worker spends those taxpayer revenues.In reality, what it creates is another layer of debt created by the government that will ultimately have to be paid for by the private sector through higher taxes and future generations.and I can guarantee that no private sector employer is going to be able to bear the burden of those higher taxes by domiciling workers in the US.


51 posted on 04/02/2011 12:21:05 PM PDT by chuckee
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To: bboop

“Oh we’re here. We’re just working and having our lives, watching, thinking, observing — keeping our powder dry. Do not ever think we are gone.
We don’t yell and scream, sleep in government buildings, break windows and poop in public gardens, so you don’t see us.”

I believe you could say we are our nations “Special Forces.” Modern day “Minute Men.” Now, I’ll get back, to working, in my yard, and “watch, think, observe.........


52 posted on 04/02/2011 12:23:08 PM PDT by DeadFurrow (Your rights end where mine begins.)
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To: kabar

“The huge amounts of money the unions have make it difficult for the tea parties to compete. As someone who has been involved with the tea party movement for the past two years and attended dozens of rallies, we need to cut down on the number of demonstrations and concentrate on fewer, but bigger demonstrations.”

—Yeah, no disagreement here with what you’re saying. The unions have an added boost in WI in that they also have a large mass of college kids playing hooky from classes to lay about for weeks on end. It’s hard to compete with that- and I think your last point is sound.

It just feels like the energy that I initially felt isn’t quite the same. Look at the important upcoming WI SC election next week- the Libs have been all over that for weeks- it doesn’t feel like we have. Palin (as almost always) is the only big name non-WI politician that I know of who has been trying to raise awareness and funds (and I try in my own small way to get the word out). We can’t meet the rally numbers, as you mentioned, but I think there are more things that can be done.


53 posted on 04/02/2011 12:29:44 PM PDT by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: kabar

States without public unions are also having budget problems. The union stuff is a figment to easily beat up on instead of blaming the bank and broker bailouts and the loss of middle class jobs to other lands for the State’s problems. Look at what you buy now and see who was making it 50 years ago. More interesting would be 20 year comparisons. The tea party has blinders on to what is really causing government budget problems. They are focusing on what is feel good ‘doable’. Today’s budget problems are wars, nation building, job exporting and demand for government to supervise things, private industry opted to overlook. You might check the growth of no child left behind.


54 posted on 04/02/2011 12:35:44 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: ex-snook

“The union stuff is a figment to easily beat up on instead of blaming the bank and broker bailouts and the loss of middle class jobs to other lands for the State’s problems.”

An estimated 3.4 Trillion dollar shortfall for unfunded state pensions is a “figment”?


55 posted on 04/02/2011 12:50:00 PM PDT by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Twotone
Michael Barone (in National Review online) offers salient points. I don't think the Tea Party - concerned Americans recoiling from the socialist policies and ruinous spending of a Democrat/socialist president and (until the November 2010 election) a Democrat-controlled congress - is dwindling in members or losing the motivation to help usher in a return to smaller government, lower taxes and, in general, a return to common sense, via the election of conservative Republican politicians at the state and federal level.

Of course, governors such as Kasich and Walker will have dropping poll numbers as they implement budget-tightening actions and cut some programs. The media is almost exclusively pro-Democrat in every state so these governors as well as John Boehner, Eric Cantor and individual Representatives will take heat for their votes and statements. The unions have seen the handwriting on the wall and, like any long-pampered group, will fight - hard - to keep their sweet deals - and their Democrat lackeys will fight along with them, as we saw in Wisconsin. It isn't pretty.

All of the blow-back was predictable. How the Republicans handle it is crucial. So far, Governor Scott Walker has been a strong but somewhat ineffective communicator in explaining the (very valid) reasons for his efforts to end collective bargaining for state employees. That is unfortunate. I see Ohio governor John Kasich as a much better communicator and, assuming his changes reap success, I believe he'll be vindicated - and easily reelected when the time comes. Again, it comes down to communication with the voters. The Republicans have the right ideas and they are doing the right things. Things they presumably were elected to do. However, the media will shill for the Democrats and their pets i.e. public service employee unions all day long so the Republicans have to be good communicators regarding their goals and not simply assume the voters will reward them for doing the right thing. Not when union thugs are storming the state capitol and the TV cameras are breathlessly recording it while biased 'reporters' and anchors skew the story.

That's what's behind the many fake polls and leftist newspaper, magazine and internet articles announcing (or at least, questioning) the demise of the Tea Party. Mostly wishful thinking on their part but, like their endless sliming of certain Republican political personalities, eventually corrosive and potentially (politically) fatal. We must fight back. Bush-like reticence and an 'above the fray' attitude will just help our socialist opponents and eventually do much harm to the goals we all strive for. The Tea Party is alive and well and in your town. Join it.

56 posted on 04/02/2011 12:53:22 PM PDT by Jim Scott ('The collapse of the Entitlement State is not going to be pretty'. - Mark Steyn)
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To: Qbert
"An estimated 3.4 Trillion dollar shortfall for unfunded state pensions is a “figment”?"

So did this just happen this year? BTW NJ hasn't been paying in their share for most of the past dozen years so they didn't see it as a problem.

57 posted on 04/02/2011 12:59:58 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: ex-snook

“So did this just happen this year?”

What is your point? That if it didn’t happen this year, we just ignore it?


58 posted on 04/02/2011 1:08:59 PM PDT by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: ex-snook
I never said the states' budget problems had to do with unions. If fact, I don't think I mentioned unions. Only 36% of public employees are unionized. That doesn't mean that public sector rolls are not bloated or that their benefits and salaries are better than the private sector.

Our biggest problem is the welfare state. About half of our $3.5 trillion budget is spent on the entitlement programs and debt servicing costs. The states are being eaten alive with federal mandates like Medicaid. We have 54 million people on SS, 47 million on Medicare, and 60 million on Medicaid. 44 million are on food stamps. In 1950 there were 16 workers for every retiree; today it is 3.3; and by 2030 there will be just two. And by 2030 one in five Americans will be 65 or older, twice what it is today. Demography is destiny.

Bureau of the Census: An Older and More Diverse Nation by Midcentury

And then there is the impact of immigration. The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest level in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 130 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.977% (2010 estimate), principally due to immigration.

The latest data show 22.1 million immigrants holding jobs in the U.S. with an estimated 8 million being illegal aliens. By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent. Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent. The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.

The Bureau of Labor statistics for March 2011 show a national unemployment rate of 8.8 percent, including 15.5 percent for blacks and 11.3 percent for Hispanics. 22 million Americans are seeking full-time employment. Despite the economic downturn, the U.S. continues to bring in 125,000 new, legal foreign workers a month. This includes new permanent residents (Green Cards) and long-term temporary visas and others who are authorized to take a job. This makes no sense.

53% of immigrant headed households use at least one major welfare program. 25% of all adult legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. We are importing poverty. 60% of all children born in the US are funded with Medicaid funds. We have 300,000 to 400,000 "anchor babies" born to illegal aliens each year. They are American citizens entitled to food stamps, Medicaid, and a host of other welfare programs. Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both.

59 posted on 04/02/2011 1:22:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Vendome

Bump.


60 posted on 04/02/2011 4:09:13 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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