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Top U.S. General in Libya: Stalemate With Gadhafi Is Possible Outcome of Bombardment
AP via The Washington Post | Monday, March 21, 2011

Posted on 03/21/2011 10:18:23 AM PDT by kristinn

(One sentence breaking article is same as headline.)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: libya
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To: kristinn

Now I know why President Obama is in Chile. Chile is right next to Bolivia, and he probably thinks he’s very close to the country going through this huge crisis: BO-LIBYA.

Get it?


21 posted on 03/21/2011 11:06:39 AM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD
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To: Pan_Yan
Right . Now that we have secured oil flow for France , are we also in line to pay for the Reconstruction for this stink hole ? Which radical group will take over ? How many billions ?
22 posted on 03/21/2011 11:11:48 AM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: kristinn

Even US policy is not clear. Hillary wants Gudaffi removed from power and a possible occupation force similar to the Iraq CPA under Bremmer, Obama wants only airstrikes (but is easily swayed), and Congress has not weighed in on this yet.


23 posted on 03/21/2011 11:19:38 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Diogenesis
I guy I went to grammar school with was on that plane. He was in the service and was flying home b/c his stepmother was dying from cancer.

By Christmas his stepmother had died, and not long after his grandmother also died. His father lost all three of them within weeks.

24 posted on 03/21/2011 11:51:18 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: kristinn

We’re stuck now. We should have stayed out of it. Now we have to wipe out Gaddafi, or he’ll be another Saddam; a longterm menace with a burning desire for revenge. Congratulations Obama, you backed us, unassuredly and waivering into another war of choice that now becomes kill or be killed.


25 posted on 03/21/2011 12:05:29 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: kristinn

Just like another UN-sponsored military action: The Korean War (1950-1953).

“Die for a Tie.”


26 posted on 03/21/2011 12:38:38 PM PDT by CDB
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To: CDB
Where is our so-called "top ally" in the region, Saudi Arabia....

MIA as usual.

27 posted on 03/21/2011 12:53:56 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: kristinn
In respect to all posters. We should remember it was made pretty clear that the US would do the heavy lifting, take out most of the key targets using cruise missiles, support the operation with AWACS air surveillance, take out a number of targets such as was done by the B1's (destroy the hanger sites at Misrahta airfield), go after a number of air defense sites using our Navy/Marine F18 radar jammers, etc., then just take a second seat and let the Brits and French do what they wanted to do later on. On this one issue, I can't fault the Administration on. They where clear the US role was to get things started and do most of the stuff the other two could not do without risking loosing aircraft and crews.
To be clear. I do not support this whole affair. Just stating what most here should at this point be familiar with.
28 posted on 03/21/2011 1:13:25 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: kristinn

So the anti-war community organizer who promised to get us out of our other 2 wars has now gotten us into a 3rd war defending radical muslims who hate us. Where is the media outrage? Where are the anti-war protesters condemning him as Hitler? Perhaps we should be patient as I am sure that will come. /s


29 posted on 03/21/2011 1:17:31 PM PDT by South40 (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: kristinn

My I dare offer a suggestion? Increase the bombing. Destroy all of their air force. Destroy their Army garrisons. Sink their Navy, destroy their naval facilities and send it to Davey Jones Locker. Destroy their civilian aircraft out at that airport-—they could be used as terrorist weapons. Destroy all government buildings, political headquarters. Let it rain bombs 24 hours a day for 30 days and 30 nights. Break their will to fight. If it flies, it dies. Send in a few special ops teams to coordinate on the ground and laser priority targets. And that’s just a beginning.


30 posted on 03/21/2011 1:41:35 PM PDT by Tea Party Reveler
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To: Marine_Uncle

We also get to blow up a lot of equipment...test out war “toys” and limit the oil price hike...We also get to test out some different strategies re the mideast, Iran.

“the map is not the territory”
Its not about the “obvious humanitarian issue.”
Just call me cynically realistic.

Our economy is down...and as the commies used to say “ Capitalism needs a war every so often.”


31 posted on 03/21/2011 3:48:43 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
You forgot to mention I named the wrong bomber. Second time today I wrote B1 instead of B2. I probably did not drink enough red wine last evening.....
One might think we have been testing our war toys for the past ten years with no let up.
Regarding the economy, it sure looks like Raytheon, and Boeing Defense/Space & Security will get a few bucks to replace all those cruise missiles launched.
Oil. Anyone's guess. Obviously the light sweet crude pumped out of Libya and shipped to Europe primarily, is only a small fraction of the world's supply. Besides. Where in a near oil glut right now with adequate reserves world wide.
The folks on Wall Street IMHO, drive up the prices. OPEC does little variance on their part. If anything. The Saudi promised they would take up the slack.
32 posted on 03/21/2011 4:12:36 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Good analysis...better than mine, ha.

Me, trying to figure out what this Petrobas deal Obozo did means? One would think that the MSM would tear him up over that...Uh, what am I thinking?

B1 or B2, so who’s counting>?ha.

Sometimes I feel like I am behind a curtain and hear noises on the other side and try to describe the reality on the other side...I more and more feel like we have NOOOO idea what the F they are all doing.


33 posted on 03/21/2011 4:25:52 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: kristinn

“Stalemate With Gadhafi Is Possible Outcome of Bombardment”

Oh, great. The “coalition” is already falling apart, and now we have a general all but admitting/declaring defeat in less than half a week.


34 posted on 03/21/2011 4:42:43 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
"I more and more feel like we have NOOOO idea what the F they are all doing."
It is so easy to come to that point in one's thinking. I do think most of our Intel and Military folks suggested we stay completely out of it, but the Brits and French pushed the dimwit to side with the folks screaming about how the women folk and children where being harmed. And caved in, once sufficient number of countries sided with the warm and fuzzy feelings that the UN sponsored.
Meanwhile US, British, and French Aircraft are going to kill off as many Libyan military as they can on the roads and support the side of Libya that produced all the al-Qaeda that where sent via. mostly Syria to attack US forces in Iraq for a number of years.
And no more help from Libya in pointing out al-Qaeda and associated terrorist groups that probably will attack the USA eventually.
This whole affair is just one more f**kup this administration is now so well defined as committing.
35 posted on 03/21/2011 4:48:04 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: kristinn

This just pisses me off. We have no business doing this, and we need to stay OUT of ALL such uprisings in the Middle East. This is something that, as painful as it may be for the people there, they need to sort out for themselves and by themselves. Western military involvement has no place in any of this. This just will spawn bad repercussions for us, as if we need any more.

This is not our battle. We also need to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I think I’m starting to sound like Ron Paul, lol, but hell, so be it, this coalition is a bust with no clear plan of action and no exit plan, and it’s just going to turn into a cluster*&^% for us.


36 posted on 03/21/2011 5:16:45 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Marine_Uncle

but the Brits and French pushed the dimwit to side with the folks screaming about how the women folk and children where being harmed. And caved in, once sufficient number of countries sided with the warm and fuzzy feelings that the UN sponsored.

A really honest analysis. Many including myself certainly agreed from the start on just keeping out of Khadafi's whole mess, developing our own energy, and screw the dependent world. But it's also true that our European globalist friends (and I don't intend that as sarcasm, that's just the way they now must posture themselves) certainly have pressured the US for involvement given its military resources (world policeman). And admittedly that would, as a US globalist, be very difficult to reject.

In a very graphic way this illustrates the whole point of recent US leadership. NOBODY but NOBODY has the guts or leadership to exert our sovereignty, and consequently the US is being played as global fools. And that includes internal manipulators, e.g. Soros, the CFR.

We said the other day on a thread, in the recent decades of US politics there has been NO leadership on domestic or foreign issues. One of the reasons "they" hate Sarah Palin, and I'm no Palin sycophant; it's just she seems to be the only one with the balls to declare America's opportune position.

As legitimate honest US citizens, subject to the dollar, subject to the elitist politicians, we are in real real trouble because of global a**holes. Obama is a front.

Johnny Suntrade

37 posted on 03/21/2011 6:38:22 PM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: jnsun

Well JS. How could I but say dittos to all you added.


38 posted on 03/21/2011 6:48:42 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: kristinn

The only way to win is a boots on the ground guerilla war.

Meanwhile, why are we even involved. The Valkyries Rice, Powers and Clinton declared war on Kadaffy. Obama went to party in Rio, Congress said and declared nuthin, and a hundred missiles rain down on Libya because? he kills his citizens? He kills our citizens!


39 posted on 03/21/2011 9:11:01 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: kristinn
I agree. They must know that even if this no-fly zone thing works the best result will be a stalemate between Gaddaffi loyalists and anti-Gaddaffi rebels. What happens then? Libya partitioned? An ongoing civil war that lasts twenty years?

If the aim is regime change - to get rid of Gaddaffi - then say so and go for it. If it isn't, or we dont have the stomach for that, stop pretending it's something else.

40 posted on 03/22/2011 9:09:39 AM PDT by Vanders9
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