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Nebraska Birther Bill May Be DOA
Nebraska State Paper ^ | 3/11/11

Posted on 03/11/2011 4:27:30 PM PST by jamese777

The birther bill is probably dead for 2011.

Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial presented his version Thursday of a bill that would require a presidential candidate to prove he or she is “a natural born citizen” of the United States.

The Government, Military and Veterans Affairs Committee is unlikely to advance the proposal (LB654) which goes even further than those introduced in 11 other states this year.

(Excerpt) Read more at nebraska.statepaper.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: certifigate; naturalborncitizen
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To: jamese777
That’s very interesting. So these laws will allow an unauthenticated long form to be used?

You have a twisted and illogical mind. Your conclusions are silly. It was you who dreamed up that some Liberal governor from a home state would or could refuse a conservative presidential candidate his birth certificate.

Speaking of unauthenticated. It is that Obama's Internet COLB that Hawaii has refused to authentic.

I’m sure that if Barack Obama needs a long form to get on a state ballot, his former honorary Hawaii campaign manager who is now the Governor will be happy to have his administration in Hawaii print one up for Barry.

Pot smoking Abercrombie couldn't find any long form birth certificate after running his mouth for over 2 years how he was going to get those "Birthers". I see you are hoping Hawaii state sponsors an Obama forgery.

41 posted on 03/11/2011 10:01:06 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: bushpilot1; patlin

“The judge in the Haw Haw case ruled..”Joyce claimed British citizenship”

Joyce was born in the US.

Obama claimed British citizenship..it is on his website.

Both fathers British subjects.

This means both were not born subject to the jurisdiction.”

Lord Haw Haw could have been tried for treason in the US too. Split allegiances.

Combine this case with Kawakita v. United States makes a powerful argument to the addition to the other encyclopaedia size amount of evidence that Obama cannot be a natural born citizen (only one state allegiance) in accordance with the US Constitution.

As I recall, Wong Kim Ark also was in violation of the Empire of China by accepting US citizenship where the punishment could have been death if China prosecuted him.

Split allegiances again can cause bad things to happen.


42 posted on 03/11/2011 10:11:30 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: jamese777

To: jamese777
still waiting, jamese777

Please show us where Dr. Fukino’s statements have been used by every single judge.

173 posted on Wed Feb 23 2011 13:53:21 by Brown Deer


43 posted on 03/11/2011 11:19:18 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: jamese777; Red Steel; Fantasywriter; Brown Deer

jamese777: “Governor Lingle didn’t lie, at worst she misspoke..”

jamese777: “Dr. Fukino’s two media releases have been enough information for the courts”

jamese777: “I’m talking about scores of different local, state, and federal courts all across America. Do you really think that any attorney representing Obama or any other defendant in an Obama eligibility lawsuit wouldn’t submit Dr. Fukino’s two statements and a transcript of Governor Lingle’s radio interview with their legal briefs for judges when they are seeking dismissals of lawsuits?”

edge919: “Show us which attorney representing Obama has presented the two statements or a transcript of Lingle’s lie.”

jamese777: “I don’t have access to the briefs”

jamese777: “I’ll look through the defense briefs that have been scanned and put online and see what I can find for you.”

jamese777: “Still searching the scribd.com web site.”

Jamese where are the documents?


44 posted on 03/11/2011 11:35:39 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: jamese777

He (jamese777) has to be watched at all times, bushpilot. I’ve seen him corrected over and over on numerous propaganda points, and yet he will go right ahead and repost the same false claims in another thread a few days or weeks later.

Truth means nothing to him. He’s got a pro-0bama ax to grind [which he disguises under the rubric just stating the ‘facts’] and it doesn’t matter how many times he’s shown to be in error.

He just keeps on pushing to see how much misinformation he can get away with spreading.

He’ll no doubt modify his comments after being called on the Fukino/legal issue, but he won’t stop. He’ll just be more cunning and more disingenuous. I wish he’d get the zot. I don’t see the point in allowing someone to post, day after day, either outright lies or else information clearly designed to obfuscate the truth. True Freepers shouldn’t have to spend so much time countering the same old misinformation posted over and over again.

Alinsky:

RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”

The point of posting lies is to keep readers confused, and distracted from the main issue; topic dilution.

“Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding/misdirection, it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues.

“This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity.

” If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’

“In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. - It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’”

316 posted on Fri Mar 04 2011 04:19:07 GMT+0800 (China Standard Time) by LucyT


45 posted on 03/11/2011 11:41:05 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1; jamese777
Jamese where are the documents?

Yeah Jamieeee, where are those documents? LoL.

And yoohoo little Jammee, we already have a potential presidential candidate who is willing to wave her real birth certificate in front of the public. What's Obama gonna do? Wave that forgery! LoL.

Rep. Michele Bachmann -

"I'll tell you one thing, if I was ever to run for president of the United States, I think the first thing I would do in the first debate is offer my birth certificate so we can get that off the table," she told radio personality Jeff Katz on Boston's Talk 1200 Radio Station."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2687541/posts

46 posted on 03/11/2011 11:52:26 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Considering that 0bama carried only 11 states (153 electoral votes) with at least 60% of the vote in the last election, and his approval rating has already dropped over 20 points since then, he doesn't have much of a chance next year.


47 posted on 03/12/2011 12:24:25 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: jamese777; Brown Deer; Red Steel; Fantasywriter
jamese777: "In 2009 and early 2010 when I was researching a bunch of different Obama eligibility lawsuits, both the defense and plaintiffs briefs were available at scribd.com In the last few days I just searched using the search terms “obama” and “fukino” together and while I can find plaintiffs’ briefs, I still haven’t been able to locate any defense briefs still on the site." "But I’m still looking." Photobucket
48 posted on 03/12/2011 3:42:00 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1; jamese777

Up until recently recently, Jamese, I assumed you must be a secular humanist. This is because, while proponents pretend it’s a warm and fuzzy belief system, they are in fact some of the meanest, most unpleasant and unhelpful people alive. They are big on forcing their beliefs on others, and they never rest in that effort. It’s pretty ugly to observe in action.

Now you say you are a Christian. Jamese, true Christians live by the Golden Rule. Yet on eligibility threads, from which you’ve been invited countless times to vacate the premises, all you do is snark and irritate people with (among other things) repetitious posts that added nothing to the discussion the first time you posted them, let alone the 10,000th time.

Iow, your actions [which speak louder than words] give no indication of Christ-like love and respect for others. I suppose you could be so immature as to imagine, were the positions reversed, you’d actually like having someone such as yourself harass you and even lie to you. Since moral equivalence is one of the most immature belief systems in the world, I suppose this is actually a very real possibility.

At any rate, it’s something to think about. If you’re going to drag Jesus’ Name into it, you might consider the results of your actions. Jesus didn’t spend countless hours annoying people. He did a lot of healing and feeding of the hungry—and He proclaimed the Good News of the Gospel. If He is your example, then more emulation of Him—and less emulation of the Devil’s Advocate—would behoove not only you but all concerned.

After all, in the judgment scene Jesus described, harassing your political opponents isn’t one of the commendable activities. Jesus said, ‘You fed Me when I was hungry; you visited Me in prison; you clothed Me when I was naked’, etc.

He didn’t say you, ‘You harassed Me day after day on a site specifically set up for ***conservatives***, when you knew for a fact you were no kind of conservative at all.’


49 posted on 03/12/2011 7:36:14 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Red Steel

Yeah Jamieeee, where are those documents? LoL.

And yoohoo little Jammee, we already have a potential presidential candidate who is willing to wave her real birth certificate in front of the public. What’s Obama gonna do? Wave that forgery! LoL.

Rep. Michele Bachmann -

“I’ll tell you one thing, if I was ever to run for president of the United States, I think the first thing I would do in the first debate is offer my birth certificate so we can get that off the table,” she told radio personality Jeff Katz on Boston’s Talk 1200 Radio Station.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2687541/posts


That’s nice, good for Michelle.
Here are a few “documents” for you, enjoy!

“President Obama posted a copy of his birth certificate on his former campaign website.”==Dr. Chiyome Fukino (Former) Director of Health, State of Hawaii
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2010/Testimony/SB2937_TESTIMONY_JGO_02-23-10_LATE.pdf


“The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there, that’s good enough for me.,”—Representative John Boehner, Speaker of the House of Representatives
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/143737-boehner-on-birthers-its-not-my-job-to-tell-the-american-people-what-to-think

“[the President’s eligibility]“I don’t think it’s an issue that we need to address at all. It is not an issue that even needs to be on the policy-making table right now whatsoever.”—Representative Eric Cantor, Republican Majority Leader, House of Representatives

“”I don’t[question the President’s faith or eligibility] and those are distractions. What we’re concerned about is the economy. And we’re concerned about the policies coming out of his administration and what he believes in terms of big government or private sector. So, no, the faith, the birth certificate, others can engage in that kind of conversation. It’s distracting. It gets annoying and let’s just stick with what really matters.”—[former]Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin

“A spurious claim questioning the President’s constitutional eligibility may be protected by the First Amendment. But a Court’s placement of it’s imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is friviolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.”—US District Court Judge Clay R. Land, Middle District of Georgia
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19809978/RHODES-v-MacDONALD-13-ORDER-denying-3-Motion-for-TRO-granting-8-Motion-to-Dismiss-Ordered-by-Judge-Clay-D-Land-on-09162009-CGC-Entered-0
(the statement quoted above is found at the bottom of page 13 and the top of page 14 of the Judge’s order.)


50 posted on 03/12/2011 9:39:43 AM PST by jamese777
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To: bushpilot1

seems odd, because if he was actually doing research, he would have saved all of those documents on his computer and backed them up on a dvd. Goes to show what a liar he is.


51 posted on 03/12/2011 9:56:33 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Red Steel

You have a twisted and illogical mind. Your conclusions are silly. It was you who dreamed up that some Liberal governor from a home state would or could refuse a conservative presidential candidate his birth certificate.

Speaking of unauthenticated. It is that Obama’s Internet COLB that Hawaii has refused to authentic.

I’m sure that if Barack Obama needs a long form to get on a state ballot, his former honorary Hawaii campaign manager who is now the Governor will be happy to have his administration in Hawaii print one up for Barry.

Pot smoking Abercrombie couldn’t find any long form birth certificate after running his mouth for over 2 years how he was going to get those “Birthers”. I see you are hoping Hawaii state sponsors an Obama forgery.


Gee, the statements quoted below from officials of the state of Hawaii sound very much like confirmations to me. If they don’t sound that way to you, oh well. They obviously were good enough for Speaker of the House John Boehner and probably mean no congressional hearings on this issue on his watch. “The state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That’s good enough for me.”—Representative Boehner, Speaker of the House of Representatives.

“...the president has posted a copy of his birth certificate on his former campaign website.”—Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health, State of Hawaii
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2010/Testimony/SB2937_TESTIMONY_JGO_02-23-10_LATE.pdf


“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”
http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam


52 posted on 03/12/2011 9:56:52 AM PST by jamese777
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“President Obama posted a copy of his birth certificate on his former campaign website.”==Dr. Chiyome Fukino (Former) Director of Health, State of Hawaii

Really? I never saw one, although I did read that he dreamed about seeing it.


53 posted on 03/12/2011 10:03:38 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Really? I never saw one, although I did read that he dreamed about seeing it.


What you saw or didn’t see is irrelevant.
As long as officials of the former Republican administration in Hawaii have confirmed Obama’s birth data, the national Republican Party has refused to go anywhere near this issue.

Please note the word “VERIFYING” in the statement below:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

When Republican state officials go to such lengths to back a left wing Democrat, it scares other Republicans off the issue.

“What we’re concerned about is the economy. And we’re concerned about the policies coming out of his administration and what he believes in terms of big government or private sector. So, no, the faith, the birth certificate, others can engage in that kind of conversation. It’s distracting. It gets annoying and let’s just stick with what really matters.”—Sarah Palin


54 posted on 03/12/2011 10:15:41 AM PST by jamese777
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To: Fantasywriter

Yes, the worthless POS is a troll.


55 posted on 03/12/2011 10:20:42 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Red Steel

and probably voted a few times for 0bama.


56 posted on 03/12/2011 10:21:59 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

That, and one the most immature and dishonest people I have ever encountered anywhere. They say there’s no cure for stupid. I guess there’s no cure for pathological childishness/dishonesty either.


57 posted on 03/12/2011 10:28:14 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

“That, and one the most immature and dishonest people I have ever encountered anywhere. They say there’s no cure for stupid. I guess there’s no cure for pathological childishness/dishonesty either.”


Man, those “Fantasywriters” sure are fickle! Just yesterday Fantasywriter was thanking me for answering your questions and YOU initiated engaging me in discussion about Islam; and then today I’m “immature” and “dishonest???”

Why were you seeking out my opinions and asking me on four separate occasions to respond if I’m so “dishonest,” “immature” and “stupid?” “Methinks thou dost protest too much!” ;-)

You sure blow hot and cold, honeybunch.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2686000/posts?page=94#94

Gotta run now, it’s “milk and cookie time” at the daycare center.


59 posted on 03/12/2011 11:03:12 AM PST by jamese777
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To: Red Steel; bushpilot1
Haw Haw was born 12 years after his father had become a naturalized US citizen. Haw Haw in obtaining his British passport had to either renounce his US citizenship or use fraud claiming that his parents were still British subjects at the time of his birth(1870 treaty removed all doubt as to parents nationality at the time of Haw Haw's birth). Thus for Great Britain to hold the claim of treason under the law & treaty of 1870, Haw Haw renounced his US citizenship and under oath he was forced to admit to this. He was convicted of Treason, case closed.

But upon his birth, Haw Haw was a US natural born citizen, to this there was no doubt.

60 posted on 03/12/2011 11:12:06 AM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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