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To: raybbr
CEO compensation in some cases--failing companies, CEOs with golden parachutes--appear obscene. If that cash had gone into product development/refinement, or improved productivity, I suspect a lot of businesses no longer with us or operating overseas would still be here making profits and employing Americans.

My point is not about envy. It is about making good business decisions in the long term, not just for the financially well being of what often are short-terms CEOS.
12 posted on 03/06/2011 5:15:38 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: Nepeta
CEO compensation in some cases--failing companies, CEOs with golden parachutes--appear obscene. If that cash had gone into product development/refinement, or improved productivity, I suspect a lot of businesses no longer with us or operating overseas would still be here making profits and employing Americans.

You are correct. I have also made that point in other threads. I should have included in my original post.

Constantly skimming the profit off the top leaves a whole lot less for the actual corporation.

This was the reason my former employer closed: Taxation, regulation and NEVER putting any money back into the operation of the place. But. The top management still continued to pull down multi-million dollar bonuses.

15 posted on 03/06/2011 5:26:47 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Nepeta

You are correct, the modern corporate structure has been used by the corporate elite to insulate themselves from the workings of the market. The 2008 financial meltdown is a prime example where very few of the Wall Street bank chiefs lost their jobs even though they had to go running to the government for a bailout to save their companies. A year later they were back to “earning” multimillion dollar bonuses only because their banks were borrowing from the Fed at 1% and lending to the federal government at 3%.

Look in contrast at the individual entrepreneur or small business person. These people rarely make 40 times the average worker’s salary, much less 400 time yet they are the employers of most people in the private sector. In this world, there is no government bailout if the company gets in trouble. The small business person retrenches, cutting payroll and other expenses and possibly selling off assets to survive. I the company fails, the entrepreneur pays the ultimate price and loses everything. If the head of Goldman Sachs fails and loses his job, he walks off with tens of millions of dollars.

The small businessman is fully accountable for his performance and pays a huge financial price for making mistakes that cost him his source of income. He loses everything. The corporate chief has limited accountability for performance. Even if he loses his job for poor performance he is rewarded with generous severance and benefits. Plus while on the job his pay and benefits are disproportionate to what most individual entrepreneurs can earn either on a percentage basis to the lowest paid employees or in real terms.

When I worked in senior management for a large corporation, the top levels executives spent more time discussing how financial manipulations would affect their bonuses for the year than they spent talking about customers, real investments in productive assets, or products. Most were financial MBA’s who thought any business could be modeled on a spreadsheet. Most of these corporate financial types also enjoyed higher salaries and bonuses than did the division presidents who managed the customers, managed the factories, created the new products, and were accountable for generating the sales and earnings.

Those who play on class envy do have a point when they describe the excessive salaries paid to corporate office executives who have little to do with the day to day creation of wealth for the company.

I don’t have the answer to this situation where market forces do not seem to be curbing the excessive pay at the top of the corporate pyramid. Unfortunately, if the market doesn’t either impose real accountability (i.e. when CEO’s depart they leave with nothing just like in the small business sector), the political world will impose some form of “social justice” on the corporate world.


32 posted on 03/06/2011 6:01:28 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: Nepeta

That is because when one gets to that level, you can not truly fail.

Which is why public corporations are so oddly run in this country. It isn’t that way in many others.


43 posted on 03/06/2011 6:37:19 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Nepeta
My point is not about envy. It is about making good business decisions in the long term, not just for the financially well being of what often are short-terms CEOS.

So let companies make bad business decisions and suffer the consequences when they do. Perhaps buying out a CEO that is doing a poor job is a better business decision than keeping him on through his contract. I don't know and neither do you because we are not the ones with the information required, or the skin in the game, to make such decisions.

56 posted on 03/06/2011 8:57:47 AM PST by aflaak
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To: Nepeta

The problem is that now we privatize profits and socialize losses. Execs are not on the hook for bad decisions, as it should be in a true market-driven economy.


67 posted on 03/06/2011 9:48:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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