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Lakin's attorney: Conviction 'certain' (re: Obama's (in)eligibility)
www.wnd.com ^ | 12/2/2010 | Brian Fitzpatrick

Posted on 12/03/2010 12:01:07 AM PST by rxsid

"Lakin's attorney: Conviction 'certain'
'He's very disappointed in military justice system'

"Based on the evidence available, his conviction is certain," Puckett told WND. "He has no affirmative defense for the offenses he committed."

"There is not much left to do" in defense of his client, Puckett said. Lakin's previous defense counsel, Paul Jensen, already "sought discovery of documents, and to introduce evidence and expert witnesses, but the judge shut down all those efforts."

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"LTC Lakin asked many people to answer his questions about his misgivings about the legitimacy of the president, even the White House. He had a question that a lot of Americans have, a question that hasn't been answered by the legislative branch or by the judicial branch..

"...What he has discovered is that the military justice system cannot produce the answers to those questions."

"We have to proceed without the documents, evidence and witnesses that have been denied to the defense. LTC Lakin is left to speak for himself and defend himself. It's up to him whether he wants to testify in his own defense, said Puckett.

Puckett would not reveal Lakin's decision, or any other details of his defense plans. He predicted that Lakin would end up, at worst, convicted of two violations of orders, be dismissed from the service, and spend a year in confinement.

Once guilt or innocence has been determined by his jurors, the trial will move to a presentencing hearing, when Lakin will have an unfettered opportunity to introduce mitigating evidence that might justify his disobedience in spite of Judge Lind's limitations on the scope of the trial.

"If he were to be convicted, he would have an open microphone to talk to the panel of jurors," said Puckett. "

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: anonsequiturthetroll; army; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; terrylakin; usurper
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To: little jeremiah
“Why does his attorney sound so useless?”

That's pretty simple to answer. I know people don't want to hear it, but legally this case is open and shut. Lakin got very bad advice from his first attorney and chose to bring up Obama’s eligibility as a defense in a venue where the statutes and legal precedent to deny such a defense are overwhelming.

He did not adequately evaluate the terrain upon which he chose to deploy. Or, as my mother used to say, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

61 posted on 12/03/2010 1:00:32 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: little jeremiah
One other thought. It is possible Lakin desires to martyr himself for this cause. If so, the viability of the defense becomes irrelevant to him. And, at that point, there is nothing his attorney can do.

I had to represent someone doing something similar once. All you can do is your best to get them their opportunity to make the statement they want, while working what angles you have to minimize the consequences.

62 posted on 12/03/2010 1:06:18 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: little jeremiah

“If he were to be convicted, he would have an open microphone to talk to the panel of jurors,”

The judge denied discovery of documents, introduction of evidence, and expert witnesses. There is no way to defend under those circumstances. So Lakin will be convicted BUT after the conviction he has a totally open mike to make his case. The judge can’t shut that down.

Col. Lakin knew all these possibilities going in, and apparently losing his career and its benefits, and spending a year in Leavenworth was worth it to him to make his point. Wise or not, THAT is courage of your convictions.


63 posted on 12/03/2010 1:10:18 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Non-Sequitur

I am amazed how many people simply cannot, or will not, recognize the distinction between the operational command of the military and the statutory authority by which orders are given in the military and required to be obeyed.

It’s right there in the Constitution. The Founders wrote about it. The legal basis for it can be articulated in a simple paragraph as Judge Lind has done.


64 posted on 12/03/2010 1:11:24 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: norton

There is a reason why the Founders used the term natural born citizen..Please show me in the 14 Amendment the words natural born citizen.

Look up the word natural...go back to the 18th Century and beyond. You will find the words Kind, Gecynde, Kindred, family, descent; there are others but will not list them.
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The Founders use the words “our posterity” in the preamble.

Do not complain to me..complain to the Founders if you have difficulty with the term natural born citizen.

The courts are afraid to touch it..they want this stifled..no evidence for LTC Lakin.

The 21 century is not the same as the 18th.

A natural born citizen is more than born on the soil..more than born to citizen parents....yes the Founders placed a limit who could be President.


65 posted on 12/03/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Aagcobb
Lakin cannot be found not guilty because under military law, you are required to obey orders from your immediate superiors as long as you are not being ordered to do something clearly illegal, like killing unarmed civilians. His current attorney has already conceded that Obama’s eligibility is irrelevant to the issue of Lakin’s guilt. All Lakin can do now is present his argument concerning Obama’s eligibility as a mitigating factor in determining his sentence, and argue he got bad legal advice from his previous civilian legal counsel, Rolf Jensen. The only way we will ever get to see Obama’s bc is by demanding that the new House of Representatives does its duty and issues a subpoena to Hawaii. Call your Congressman and demand action!

All of that is true. If you really want action, it's your Congressional critter that has to do it.

66 posted on 12/03/2010 1:15:19 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Candor7

Well good for Indiana. Still the test has not been applied to Obama. Where is his COLB? Lets just see it, duly attested by those who attended is birth.

Rather simple. Its not a matter of law, its a simple matter of fact.A matter for a jury, not a judge.


At any point in time from February of 2007 when Barack Obama announced his candidacy for the presidency, any prosecuting attorney in the nation could have convened a grand JURY investigation of Obama’s eligibility and issued a subpoena for his original birth documents and subpoenaed witnesses to testify under oath including the Governor of Hawai’i Linda Lingle who has said: “You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Senator McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certficate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawai’i. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. It’s been established. He was born here.”—Governor Linda Lingle.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai’i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai’i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai’i and is a natural born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October, 2008, over eight months ago.”—Dr. Chiyome Fukino, July 27, 2009

There is no court in American that wouldn’t accept a sworn deposition from a Republican Governor and her appointee, the state Health Director as evidence of the fact of birth.


67 posted on 12/03/2010 1:18:14 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
There is no court in American that wouldn’t accept a sworn deposition from a Republican Governor and her appointee, the state Health Director as evidence of the fact of birth.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Buahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Try that when you go for a drivers lincense.

Buahahahahahahahahaha!

68 posted on 12/03/2010 1:48:11 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/brack_obama_ipthe_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

Buahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Try that when you go for a drivers lincense.

Buahahahahahahahahaha!


Obama has a driver’s license and a passport, obtained with his Hawai’i COLB.
You tried to switch the discussion from the courtroom to the Department of Motor Vehicles. Which is comparing apples to oranges.

I suggest that you google the term “self-authenticating document.”


69 posted on 12/03/2010 2:19:12 PM PST by jamese777
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To: bushpilot1

There is a reason why the Founders used the term natural born citizen..Please show me in the 14 Amendment the words natural born citizen.

Look up the word natural...go back to the 18th Century and beyond. You will find the words Kind, Gecynde, Kindred, family, descent; there are others but will not list them.
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The Founders use the words “our posterity” in the preamble.

Do not complain to me..complain to the Founders if you have difficulty with the term natural born citizen.

The courts are afraid to touch it..they want this stifled..no evidence for LTC Lakin.

The 21 century is not the same as the 18th.

A natural born citizen is more than born on the soil..more than born to citizen parents....yes the Founders placed a limit who could be President.


Unfortunately for your side of the debate, it appears that the current Justices on the Supreme Court don’t see it that way. Even among the most originalist of them all, Justice Scalia has argued that “jus loci” is what natural born citizen refers to and he argued that point BEFORE Barack Obama was running for President. The appeal was TUAN ANH NGUYEN V. INS from 2001.
And in 1998, in his concurring opinion in Miller v. Albright, Justice Scalia quoted from Wong Kim Ark, the following: The Constitution “contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization.” United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 702 (1898).

In the 21st Century, there is no distinction under law between a Natural Born Citizen and a Citizen of the United States at birth. If there was such a distinction in the law, Barack Obama would not be president for going on two years now.


70 posted on 12/03/2010 2:35:08 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Non-Sequitur

No I am not saying that. To dispatch US troops overseas, out of the boundaries of the CONUS, I am saying that those orders initially come from the President, the CinC. When you further those orders by ordering troops overseas you must have a lawfully seated CinC.


71 posted on 12/03/2010 3:31:09 PM PST by B4Ranch (I have never met one, not one Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism.)
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To: EDINVA

Thank you for your reply.


72 posted on 12/03/2010 3:50:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: B4Ranch
To dispatch US troops overseas, out of the boundaries of the CONUS, I am saying that those orders initially come from the President, the CinC. When you further those orders by ordering troops overseas you must have a lawfully seated CinC.

But none of the orders that Lakin is charged with disobeying involve that. He was ordered to report to his Brigade Commander's office and he was ordered to report for duty with a unit within the continental U.S. Those were valid, lawful orders issued by officers with the authority to do so. Lakin disobeyed them.

73 posted on 12/03/2010 5:07:22 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I was thinking he was ordered to report to a unit that was being shipped out to Afghanistan.


74 posted on 12/03/2010 6:29:33 PM PST by B4Ranch (I have never met one, not one Veteran who enlisted to fight for Socialism.)
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To: B4Ranch
I was thinking he was ordered to report to a unit that was being shipped out to Afghanistan.

You need to read his charge sheet.

Link

75 posted on 12/03/2010 6:33:58 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Eye of Unk; rxsid

The fix is in once for ALL:!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2636130/posts?page=28#28


76 posted on 12/04/2010 6:29:45 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: Non-Sequitur; rxsid
The evidence is overwhelming.

For once YOU are right, BUT that evidence is only the CONSTITUTION, which paper is used in YOUR bathroom!!!

77 posted on 12/04/2010 6:34:26 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: PA-RIVER; Red Steel

Plus a handful of FINOs enablers!!!


78 posted on 12/04/2010 6:38:41 AM PST by danamco (")
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To: jamese777

I suggest you read the federal rules of evidence. Self authenticating document procedure is never used unless the document itself is physically non existent, stolen, or otherwise missing.And generally there is a non authenticated true copy in issue.

Buahahahahahahahahaha!

JUST PRODUCE THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION ON FILE.

And do not forget to self authenticate yourself when you need to ,whenever you get the urge, and KY lube is cheap!


79 posted on 12/04/2010 7:42:25 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/brack_obama_ipthe_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Non-Sequitur; B4Ranch
WHO gave the order for extra 30K troops being sent to Afghanistan?

McCrystal was asking for 40K so was he the one who reduced the order to send 30K instead of his request of 40K

Isn't it true that McCrystal met with your most dear leader at Kastrup airport and he was told he only would get 30K which also include Lt. Col. Lakin who was demanded to show his birth certificate???

Again you are still using the Constitution's paper to wipe off your poor (D) Ass!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Lakin, a highly decorated Army doctor with over 18 years of service, was told to bring his birth certificate when ordered to deploy to Afghanistan. Lakin was perfectly willing to provide a copy of his birth certificate if President Obama would release a copy of his.

As an officer, Lakin took an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”

Unlike the enlisted soldier’s oath, which includes a clause to “obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me …” there is no such provision in the oath for commissioned officers.

Additionally, Lakin is bound by his oath and the Uniform Code of Military Justice to obey lawful orders and to disobey any order that violates the Constitution."

80 posted on 12/04/2010 8:52:32 AM PST by danamco (")
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