Fearing Tea Party Ax, Orrin Hatch Ups Tax-Cut Ante

IBD's Capital Hill ^ | 11/17/2010 | Ed Carson

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Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, a leading Republican on the tax-writing Finance Committee, says the GOP will insist on extending all the Bush tax cuts the same way:

A top Republican in the U.S. Senate said on Wednesday that his party would block any Democratic deal on extending Bush-era tax cuts if rates for the middle class and wealthy are not extended together.

“Are you kidding, of course we would,” said Senator Orrin Hatch,

[LADY J]

"He very well may have learned his lesson, and I agree he is no liberal. However, he still needs to be replaced. His history of working with Democrats far over rides his worth to us in the future. Think about it."

Best friend of good old Ted Kennedy!!! Get rid of him.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Hatch needs to be defeated in 2012.

[ridesthemiles]

Hatch could face a 2012 primary challenge...”

My prediction: Jason Chaffetz, current Rep from Utah.

I predict he will beat Hatch in the primary & win in the general election.

The hard part will be finding a really strong replacement for Chaffetz.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[snowrip]

Hatch just voted for a nationalization of the food industry (this includes federal penalties if you grow some veggies and give them to a relative). He can FOAD and I will contribute mightily to his challenger.

[Cicero]

Fine with me. Meantime, it’s just as well if he isn’t fighting us, as I’m sure some of the others will do.

[Future Useless Eater]

>>procedural vote only....it hasn’t been “voted on” yet....

the ‘procedural’ vote WAS the most important vote. That one needed 60 Yea’s.

the remaining vote is a shoe-in. That one only needs 50 Yea’s plus Joe Biden.

These scum sucking turncoats gave in to the FOOD NAZI’s...

Yea TN Alexander, Lamar [R]
Yea WY Barrasso, John [R]
Yea MA Brown, Scott [R]
Yea NC Burr, Richard [R]
Yea ME Collins, Susan [R]
Yea TN Corker, Bob [R]
Yea WY Enzi, Michael [R]
Yea IA Grassley, Charles [R]
Yea NH Gregg, Judd [R]
Yea NE Johanns, Mike [R]
Yea FL LeMieux, George [R]
Yea IN Lugar, Richard [R]
Yea ME Snowe, Olympia [R]
Yea SD Thune, John [R]
Yea LA Vitter, David [R]
Yea OH Voinovich, George [R]

Welcome to Russia.

[OneVike]

If this bill becomes law, I will personally plant my whole back yard (1 acre) with vegetables and offer them to all my neighbors.

Then I will make sure they authorities know I am doing so. It will be up to them to arrest and jail me.

I will Then I become a test case for SCOTUS to decide.

[dr_who]

LOL!

[BAW]

Don’t count your Hatch before he chickens ...

Very clever. LOL

[JDW11235]

“Then I will make sure they authorities know I am doing so. It will be up to them to arrest and jail me.

I will Then I become a test case for SCOTUS to decide.”

Allow me to present to you, Wickard v. Filburn:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

Still, there comes a point people have to say “Enough is enough.” These lawas are NEVER about making people safe. They, like gun laws, are about controlling you, and making you a criminal to remove what remaining freedom you have, at the drop of a hat, and make you a lifetime political prisoner, and example, at the whim and discretion of “The State” or “Public Good.” People are getting tired of this. They should have a long, long time ago...

[DrewsMum]

I totally missed THUNE???? are you kidding me???? He’s the one all my “Conservative” friends keep throwing up instead of Sarah for 2012

[DrewsMum]

I totally missed THUNE???? are you kidding me???? He’s the one all my “Conservative” friends keep throwing up instead of Sarah for 2012

[meadsjn]

Why even bother to clean house, if we're going to leave the rotting corpses sitting in the furniture.

Get rid of these old bastards. They have a lucrative retirement already. They will not face any hardship.

[OneVike]

Allow me to present to you, Wickard v. Filburn:

Yes I know it well. The famous butterfly effect ruling.

If a butterfly flaps it's wings in the Amazon forest, it supposedly effects the weather so that it is the cause of a tornado in Oklahoma.

It is the ruling that put the teeth in the Commerce Clause.

That along with the Slaughterhouse ruling 137 years ago that came about from the 14th amendment, the right to defend yourself and the right to economic freedom. Brought about to help the newly freed blacks and the abolitionists who were being discriminated against after the Civil War in the Southern states.

However, the Slaughterhouse ruling basically nullified the 14th by stating the 14th only dealt with the way a state deals with it's citizens, not the federal governments dealings with the citizens. So in essence the power of the 14th amendment was neutered. Especially the part of economic liberty. That is why the 14th is always brought up in civil rights cases dealing with states rights.

So both the Wickard v Filburn and the slaughterhouse rulings will have to be revisited. Those two will need to be addressed in order to overturn Obama's health care law.

I am preparing to write an article about the ruling s and their importance on the challenge against Obama Care as to the Commerce Clause. However, we need to worry about Scalia in that. he has already shown a proclivity to vote with the liberals in cases that are effected by the commerce clause. He seems to be a fan of the commerce clause.

Go figure, the brightest brain could become our worst nightmare when SCOTUS gets the Health Care bill.

[Happy Rain]

I like “The Tea Party AX” image

Imagine petite proper and prudent ladies sipping tea in one hand as the other hand strokes the handles of Norseman Double Edged Battle Axes.

“Have another cup dear?”
“Yes,thank you,don't mind if....wait!”
“What is it?”
“Over there—Sheriff Andy Taylor is trying to arrest someone for not buying health insurance!!”
“GIRLS!”
(tea cups crash to the deck—chairs are thrown back the table overturned)
“CHARGE!!!”

[JDW11235]

Thanks for you insightful/inciteful :) response. I was not aware of the Slaughterhouse ruling. i was simply stating, as you did, that I doubt the supremes would vote in favor of citizens in this regard, as ALL branches and levels of government have become corrupted. We need a sweeping change/restoration of ALL levels of government to their proper roles, namely protecting individual rights. My $0.02.

[OneVike]

Sadly but true. Even when we gain control of the government, we still have to contend with the myriad of leftist twerps entrenched in the many unconstitutional bureaucracies. All of which are neither elected, nor accountable to the people, yet they survive off the sweat of our brow and whom we cannot even fire them.

We are the Eloi, and they are the Morlocks and we cannot stop the insanity because too many of our fellow Eloi's enjoy the easy good life with out realizing the freedom they have lost.

You might find this interesting. It is a thread i missed when it was originally posted, but i stumbled upon it looking for something else. A discussion about the way things are taking shape in America today as we go about our daily life. Those like us pay attention, but as we know 80% of the population is locked into self gratification to the point of being numb to the loss of their very freedoms.

Freeper Thane_Banquo, posted an interesting forward to Hayek's book, "The Road to Serfdom". In the forward of his book is a quote from de Tocqueville's "Democracy in American", followed by a comment from Hayek himself. I am posting the whole portion here for you to read and contemplate. Although some of the comments are as many Freeper comments usually are, good for musing.

First, the quote from de Tocqueville:

Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?

Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things; it has predisposed men to endure them and often to look on them as benefits..

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

I have always thought that servitude of the regular, quiet, and gentle kind which I have just described might be combined more easily than is commonly believed with some of the outward forms of freedom, and that it might even establish itself under the wing of the sovereignty of the people.

--Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, "Chapter VI: What Sort of Despotism Democratic Nations Have to Fear."

F.A. Hayek on de Tocqueville's quote:

What Tocqueville did not consider was how long such a government would remain in the hands of benevolent despots when it would be so much more easy for any group of ruffians to keep itself indefinitely in power by disregarding all the traditional decencies of political life.

--F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom, Foreword

Back to my thoughts. We as a country count on the men we elect to do that which we demand, yet we are a country of many different beliefs and even among those of us who think alike we have sharp disagreements of how we should accomplish our goals. So then when those we elect fall short of our goals we either demand their replacement or willing conceal defeat in that matter. Eventually as the years roll on we learn that we have conceded to defeat more time than we have reveled in victory.

It is the moments that we have conceded that we have truly lost our freedoms, and even when we enjoy a moment of victory, that victory is hollow when we realize we can never revisit the moment of defeat and expect a different outcome.
137 years ago we had the Slauterhouse ruling which set the table for a landmatk decision 70 years later in 1942, the Wickard v. Filburn opinion. Now 70 years after the ruling which set in stone the regulations of the New Deal, we have before us Obama's HC that will be forced upon us I fear. Another loss in a long line of dominoes that began the day we accepted man's rule over God's.

As you stated, we are now living in the very totalitarian society we have all claimed we would die fighting against. Instead of fighting to the death as our forefathers did who sacrificed all, we enjoy what meager freedoms our benevolent rulers allow us to still enjoy.

Yet a few of us continue to fight on, because we have the one thing they can never destroy. Our desire for self rule, at first from God, and now from man.

[zerosix]

Introduced in Senate (8/8/2001) by Orin Hatch as SB1291 in the 107th Congress session as the "Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act; 18 co-sponsors (RNC) Brownback, Craig, DeWine, Domenici, Grassley, Lugar, the rest RATS.

In the House as HB 1918 by Chris Cannon (R-Utah) and 62 co-sponsored by (RNC) by Tom Davis, Diaz-Ballart, Peter King, Matheson, .

[Brian Allen]

Like far too many career politicians, Mr Hatch has gotten to believe the only people he needs to accommodate are those already within the Beltway. And that most of those hover around one end or the other of Pennsylvania Avenue.

Here’s some news for you, Mt Hatch:

Good bye!