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Fifty years ago, Kennedy and Nixon changed our politics forever
Renew America ^ | 9-26-2010 | Michael M. Bates

Posted on 09/25/2010 10:28:49 PM PDT by smoothsailing

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To: smoothsailing

Those were great debates. There was no minute and a half, minute to rebut crap. They’re opening statements were each eight minutes long and both were very articulate. No notes, no teleprompters.


21 posted on 09/26/2010 5:34:13 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Outlaw Woman

The Six Day War occurred in 1967- Nixon wasn’t sworn in as POTUS until 1/69.


22 posted on 09/26/2010 5:46:42 AM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: smoothsailing

But you can’t have a debate with a Liberal Democrat today. They don’t even know what issues and ideas are. All they know is character assassination.


23 posted on 09/26/2010 6:00:11 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: buccaneer81
Nixon kept the country from tearing itself apart.

Bull. Instead of minor strife, he allowed the cancer to progress until removal will be fatal (which is where we are now).

24 posted on 09/26/2010 6:16:10 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Democrats were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: Canedawg

Yom Kippur..all I can attribute that error to is late evening. So sorry.


25 posted on 09/26/2010 7:01:25 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: FreedomPoster

Yes..thank you. Embarrassed here. It was late and I was focused on the philosphy of both Kennedy & Nixon.


26 posted on 09/26/2010 7:03:46 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: luvbach1

Nixon also knew that the uninformed American people don’t like being “second guessed”, would call him a “sore loser”, and he could not again be nominated had he tried to challenge the outcome. Plus, Austin, Springfield, and Jefferson City would have rebuffed Nixon’s attempts to get a correct total in those three corrupt states.


27 posted on 09/26/2010 7:15:27 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: nickcarraway

Good point, and Julie Nixon Eisenhower “came out” with the real Nixon views in her 2008 endorsement of the Democratic ticket. After all the Repub lican Party had done for her family for so long


28 posted on 09/26/2010 7:19:34 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Condor51

I wish that I had voted for Lester Maddox in 1976 instead of Gerald Rudolph.


29 posted on 09/26/2010 7:21:31 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: Theodore R.

Of course, Maddox was tainted with the racist tag, but he claimed to have been a defender of private property, and he did tell the truth about GA Jimmuh.


30 posted on 09/26/2010 7:22:39 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Rush was right when he said America may survive Obama but not the Obama supporters.)
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To: BillyBoy; ansel12; nickcarraway; Impy
Beautifully put BillyBoy!

Anyone who is a fan of the Kennedy Klan needs to have their head examined...just make sure Papa Joe isn't around or you'll end up a lobotomized vegetable. Assuming, that is, that Papa Joe isn't busy sucking up to the Third Reich or running the family bootlegging business...

And that's just the tip of the iceberg only for the father.

Tell me again how this collection of trash hasn't been tried, convicted and summarily executed, with their illegally obtained assets reverting back to the people?

Honestly, I have more respect for the common crack dealer or pimp than a Kennedy.

31 posted on 09/26/2010 7:35:09 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Support and vote for Sean Bielat (MA-4)! MA-4 is Barney Frank's district.)
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To: smoothsailing

***70 million watched that debate. Many believed Kennedy won decisively.***

Only on TV! Those who heard the debate on radio said Nixon won hands down! On TV, Nixon LOOKED TERRIBLE and that is what influenced the voters!


32 posted on 09/26/2010 7:41:54 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: smoothsailing

***”I had a discussion with my daughter, Amy, the other day, before I came here,...”***

When Carter said this, I knew he had lost it!

Years later it was said Reagan managed to get a copy of Carter’s debate points before the debate. A political cartoon showed the debate with Reagan saying...”I had a discussion with my daughter, Amy...” and Carter saying...”HEY! THAT’S MY LINE!”


33 posted on 09/26/2010 7:49:31 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( AKA Rodrigo de Bivar)
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To: Theodore R.
I wish that I had voted for Lester Maddox in 1976 instead of Gerald Rudolph.

That year was a write in for me: Ronald Reagan for pres, Jesse Helms for VP.

34 posted on 09/26/2010 8:59:42 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Yes, he was prez during the Yom Kippur War, you’re right about that.


35 posted on 09/26/2010 9:10:25 AM PDT by Canedawg (...still not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
...”HEY! THAT’S MY LINE!”

Political cartoons are great, there's something about them that is just so American!

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36 posted on 09/26/2010 9:25:33 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: nickcarraway; smoothsailing; Behind Liberal Lines; sinanju; Carry_Okie; buccaneer81; ...
That was the last time the Democrat was more conservative than the Republican.

I would disagree strongly with that.

The first Kennedy-Nixon debate video is available on YouTube in its entirety (concentrating on domestic policy) and I watched it yesterday. You can see that Kennedy made no bones about the fact that he was a Democrat in the tradition of Wilson, FDR, and Truman. The domestic debate included federal aid to education, where Kennedy favored federal subsidizing of teachers' salaries, which Nixon opposed on the ground that would lead to government control of students' thinking. Nixon emphasized that there would be significantly less total federal spending under himself than under Kennedy. Then there were differences on health insurance for "old people" (the terms "seniors" and "senior citizens" had not yet entered the political vocabulary): Kennedy touted what eventually became Medicare and claimed that it would be funded by increasing the Social Security tax, while Nixon favored a voluntary health insurance plan with more choices.

Kennedy mentioned nothing about the tax cuts that his administration later pushed to revive the economy.

The main theme was whether or not the country was doing well enough under the Eisenhower administration in which Nixon was the VP for two terms.

If any of you have an hour to spare, I'd recommend watching it. What's striking is that quite a bit of the discussion still has relevance today.

37 posted on 09/27/2010 1:06:22 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: ansel12

I agree, the stolen election changed America forever for the worst. Besides the immense damage the Kennedys have wrought on us, Clinton got his inspiration for politics from JFK. And didn’t the Kennedys help usher Obama’s alleged father as an exchange student from Africa?

If there had been one guy who should’ve been sterilized, it was old man Joe Kennedy.


38 posted on 09/27/2010 1:14:58 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (NO MOS-que AP: It's the "GROUND ZERO MOSQUE")
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To: justiceseeker93

Why don’t you look at the facts, not the marketing mumbo jumbo. Nixon was a commie-cuddling, pinko-lover, while JFK was tough on communism. JFK cut taxes, while Nixon never met a social program he couldn’t grow exponentially. Nixon also love government regulation to an unprecedented amount. If this sounds like conservatism to you, you’ve been reading too many David Brooks columns.


39 posted on 09/27/2010 1:30:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I was discussing the 1960 debate and the Nixon of 1960 vs. the Kennedy of 1960, not the Nixon Administration (1969-74). You are correct to say that there was a significant increase in government regulation (the Environmental Protection Agency and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission came to mind) when Nixon was president. As far as your alleged commie-cuddling is concerned, remember that the earlier Nixon had a tough-on-communism reputation from e.g., his participation in HUAC hearings as a congressman in the late 1940s and his “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev while vice president.
40 posted on 09/27/2010 2:23:00 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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