Posted on 09/25/2010 10:28:49 PM PDT by smoothsailing
That was the last time the Democrat was more conservative than the Republican.
People have been talking for years about the Nixon sweating thing but in the end it was the Democrat machine getting dead people to vote in Texas and Illinois that won the election for JKK, not TV.
Bull, the Kennedy election was the election that ended America. We could have eventually worked out of the FDR years, but we will never recover from the result of the 1960 election, ever.
I think of the AmSpec article of last year that posited that Nixon blew it, not on appearances, but that he basically agreed with everything Kennedy was saying, i.e., he played a classic milquetoast Republican. He did not make that mistake in 1968—running on a hard “law and order” platform.
The article also mentioned Dewey/Truman and Willkie/F.D.R. campaigns as other classic examples in which the Republican failed to play the conservative and did the “democrat lite” thing.
With predictable results.
The rest is history.
And Nixon declined to request a recount in those states, saying he wanted to spare the country an interruption in the continuity of the presidency, He also probably thought that if the Demonrats could commit fraud in the original vote count they could do the same in a recount.
Those who watched the debate on TV judged Kennedy the winner. Those who listened on Radio judged Nixon the winner.
Let's face it, if Nixon had a 'D' after his name you'd be railing against him as perhaps the most leftist president we've had. But you are defending what he did to our country, because supposedly he was a Republican?
If you actually read the content of intellilectural lightweight JFK's ramblings in the 1960 debates, he spends most of the time trying to (poorly) defend Woodrow Wilson's "New Freedom", FDR's "New Deal", and Truman's "Fair Deal", talking about how wonderful all the big government handouts were for America and how important is it to give billions of dollars of goodies to foreigners to show the world how generous we are. Then he proceeds to attack how mean-spirited and greedy the GOP was for opposing statism and big government handouts. Kennedy promises to follow in the footsteps of the other RATs with his "New Frontier" programs -- tons of freebies for education, housing, welfare, the environment, immigrants, etc. (Democrats sure like "New", "Fairness", "Hope" and "Change", don't they?)
How nickcarraway can interpret Kennedy's agenda as the "more conservative" program is beyond me. Nixon was no conservative icon, but he was still vastly more conservative than the Woodrow Wilson & FDR worshiping Kennedy.
Evidentally the media myth of "Camelot" has so thoroughly brainwashed this nation that now many on the right will join the leftists in hailing what a wonderful role model JFK was. Pretty sad spetical in my opinion. Worse, they claim Kennedy was Reaganeque and the second best President of the 20th century after Reagan himself (LOL!!) Of course Reagan himself didn't agree with them, back then he was still a Democrat and even Reagan wouldn't drink the JFK kool-aid! He was a "Democrat for Nixon" in 1960. No wonder he switched parties after seeing the 1960s era RAT party fail so miserably.
As for me, I wouldn't have voted for JFK and his FDR-loving agenda if you paid me. For those on the right who would have supported a Massachusetts liberal over a Republican, well... we all know what this nation was like after the Kennedy-Johnson administration got thur with it.
The JFK fan club should all be required to read this book, it might open their eyes:
Only because of LBJ. By today's standards, Kennedy was a moderate Republican.
Nixon kept the country from tearing itself apart. Al Gore took the other road. It’s been nothing but hate and division from the left since November, 2000.
It may all be BS but there is one thing I do know about Kenndy, he was a hawk and did his time in the service and those 2 things sets him miles above the radical American haters of today.
And he did believe in tax cuts. Now with that said, had he lived, more than likely his positions would have evolved for political expediency. As we’ve seen other (not only dims) figures do:
For example: Al Gore was pro-life
Hillary Clinton was once a republican and supported Goldwater
Nixon on the other hand was responsible for the beginning of the global crap we see today. He formed the EPA as well and screwed around with the free market system with wage & price control in an effort to stem inflation. He was an elitist and thought himself above it all (imo). One thing that he did though that is a stand out is help Israel during the 6 day war and did it against everone’s advice and over their objections believing (correctly) that if we didn’t help who would?
In the end it’s BOTH parties that have betrayed this country and the constitution. We are now experiencing the result of years and years and years of abuse to the Foundation. Old Glory just can’t take too much more; our enemies know this.
JFK created "today's standards", without the stolen 1960 election we would live in a modernized version of 1950s America, not in a doomed America waiting to see what kind of unAmerica, multiculturalism will eventually melt into.
Imagine America without the 1960s, Vietnam, Lyndon Johnson, Senator Ted Kennedy, the 1965 passage of JFK's immigration act, press 1 for english, Muslims, etc, etc, etc.
Imagine an America with the unchanged demographics of 1960.
People too young to know those days, were all taught to worship JFK.
Those NEA and CBS and Hollywood trained people think it shows knowledge to compare a post JFK, post Vietnam and Bay of Pigs, post Lyndon Johnson, post total takeover of the media and government by the Democrat party and the left as a result of JFK, post 1960s, Richard Nixon- to the 1960 Richard Nixon who would have been going straight from 8 years as Eisenhower’s Vice President, to becoming President.
We would be living in an entirely different America today.
interesting thread....
50 years ago the city of Chicago stole a presidential election for the democrat, Kennedy.
What also happened is that the media intentionally put Nixon under bright lighting that not only made him look pasty but caused him to sweat and appear shifty - the media was as leftist then as it is now. There is MORE to the story.
LBJ was President during the 6-Day War.
Nixon (and Kissinger) sent lots of aid to Israel during the Yom Kippur War of 1973.
President Ford challenged Jimmy Carter to them in 1976. At one meeting, Ford claimed: "There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe . . ."
I remember that debate like it was yester ... a very long time ago :-)
But 'series', as I recall it Ford didn't exactly 'claim it', it was more like he blurted it out in frustration. As I recall he was a bit flustered at the time. And in my view he knew he made an oops.
In his defense I can see one point where he may have been coming from and that is the USA never recognized the USSR's takeover of the Baltic States: Lithuania, Latvia Estonia.
I know that as the 'official' Lithuanian 'consulate' was in my neighborhood in Chicago, it was a House. And the 'Lithuanian Navy' was docked at Chicago's lake front - it consisted of a couple 26' power boats and one sailboat of approx the same length. And the Held their 'official meetings' at the Tavern-Hall us guys hung out at. Now that sounds funny, but trust me, to the Lugans in my old hood (and surrounding areas), it was NO JOKE. (The First president of the 'new' Lithuania after the USSR collapsed came from the Marquette Park neighborhood in Chicago. It was mostly Lugan at the time)
So maybe Ford was thinking that. Or maybe militarily, with US Military Power that could take out the commies. Too bad he didn't clarify it after the flub.
Note to the PC Police: No offense is meant by me using 'Lugan'. I married one (she's 1/2 anyway) and they call themselves that. So buzz off.
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