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Collapse of ancient Ellesmere ice shelf *stuns scientists*
http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/article/260810_collapse_of_ancient_ellesmere_ice_shelf_stuns_scientists ^ | August 26th, 2010

Posted on 08/27/2010 9:06:50 PM PDT by TaraP

“The ice seems to be fracturing all over the Arctic once again”

A huge chunk of ice about the size of Bermuda has cracked off Canada’s largest remaining Arctic ice shelf.

The ancient slab of ice, measuring about 50 square kilometres in area and almost 400 metres thick, broke away from the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf on Ellesmere Island’s northern coast last week, the Canadian Ice Service said Aug. 25.

“The whole northeast quarter seems to have gone,” said Trudy Wohlleben, a senior ice forecaster at the service, who first noticed cracks developing on the shelf in early August. Satellite images over the last week have confirmed the huge chunk of ancient ice shelf has broken away, she says.

The breakup points to the profound change underway in the Arctic and the accelerating loss of a unique and “majestic” part of Canada’s landscape, says John England, University of Alberta earth scientist.

The Ward Hunt is the largest of the remaining ice shelves that have clung to Ellesmere Island for 3,000 to 5,000 years. They contain the oldest sea ice in the northern hemisphere, England says, and have no counterpart in Greenland or Russia.

“They’re our California redwoods, they’re our pyramids, they’re a really unique, intriguing aspect of our Canadian landscape,” says England. “And they are disappearing.”

The fracturing of such a large chuck of the Ward Hunt is one of the more remarkable changes Wohlleben and her colleagues have seen in the Arctic this summer, which has seen plenty of action.

“This year, the ice seems to be fracturing all over the Arctic once again,” Wohlleben said in an interview, noting that 2009 had been quiet compared to 2008 and 2007.

Wohlleben was also the first to spot a gargantuan chunk of ice that calved off Greenland’s Petermann Glacier this summer. It is about 251 square kilometres in size - four times the size of Manhattan - and is drifting toward Canadian waters.

While the Greenland iceberg is much bigger, England says the loss of such a big chunk of the Ward Hunt shelf is in some ways more significant because the ice is so old.

“It’s not like these things come and go every few years or decades,” says England, noting that it would take centuries of cold weather to regrow Ellesmere’s ice shelves. “We can’t just sweep it under the carpet and say ‘It’s one of nature’s cycles’,” he said of the disintegration that shows little sign of letting up.

There are still several weeks to go before the Arctic ice pack reaches its minimum for this year. At this stage Wohlleben says it doesn’t look as if this will break the record ice retreat seen in 2007.

“But it will be close,” she said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: agw; catastrophism
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To: TaraP
“We can’t just sweep it under the carpet and say ‘It’s one of nature’s cycles’,”

Yeah, because that would be a logic-based argument, rather than an emotion-based one.

41 posted on 08/28/2010 8:25:06 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: TaraP

We should embrace this warming period, it allowed the development of mankind.


42 posted on 08/28/2010 8:27:54 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: TaraP
Great Photos!

Does not look that big!

I thought those maps / satellite photos kind of put it into perspective of the larger picture of the Arctic ice mass.

So is it the start of something to worry about, or something that occasionally happens over the longer geological time frame?

I am not sure. Seems to me to be not that much to worry about considering all the other ice mass up there.

Now if other similar sized pieces start breaking off...

43 posted on 08/28/2010 8:30:18 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
It's rates, not the fact that it happens. The current rate is greatly accelerated.

If my car started to take 10 gallons of gas to make it across town, many FReepers would reply, "Who cares? Cars burn fuel...there's nothing wrong!"

44 posted on 08/28/2010 8:30:39 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SuziQ
how would they know otherwise?

The laws of physics don't change enough for that. Counting seasonal layers, confirming flow rates, etc., are valid measurement/analysis techniques.

45 posted on 08/28/2010 8:32:49 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: jacquej

Fortunately, scientists and engineers understand there are means of changing rates by understanding the mechanisms of retreat there.

Fighting Mother Nature is usually expensive, though.


46 posted on 08/28/2010 8:40:59 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: TaraP
...Trudy Wohlleben, a senior ice forecaster at the service...

How do I get a scam job like that?

"We can’t just sweep it under the carpet and say ‘It’s one of nature’s cycles’,”...

Why not? Do tell.

47 posted on 08/28/2010 8:41:20 AM PDT by Doohickey ("It Takes A Spillage." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Gondring

My point was how do they know what is NORMAL, if they don’t have the information about the previous ice sheet, and how long it stayed attached, before dropping off. The information from the layers, etc, is all well and good, but unless they’ve measure a different ‘drop’, they wouldn’t know what is the typical time frame for its occurrence.


48 posted on 08/28/2010 11:13:41 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

But we do know.


49 posted on 08/28/2010 7:17:50 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: TaraP; livius; DollyCali; IrishCatholic; meyer; SteamShovel; Desdemona; grey_whiskers; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

50 posted on 08/29/2010 10:32:48 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Release the Second Chakra !!!!!!!" ... Al Gore, 10/24/06)
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