Posted on 08/06/2010 7:40:24 AM PDT by Jonah Vark
A court hearing is scheduled for Friday in the case of an Army officer who has refused to deploy to Afghanistan because, in his view, President Barack Obama has not proven that he was born in the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
14We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language is immaterial. For all but forty-four people in our nation‟s history (the forty-four Presidents), the dichotomy between who is a natural born citizen and who is a naturalized citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment is irrelevant. The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 705, 18 S. Ct. at 478.
15We reiterate that we do not address the question of natural born citizen status for persons who became United States citizens at birth by virtue of being born of United States citizen parents, despite the fact that they were born abroad. That question was not properly presented to this court. Without addressing the question, however, we note that nothing in our opinion today should be understood to hold that being born within the fifty United States is the only way one can receive natural born citizen status.
For all the reasons listed below Obama will have a hard time getting on the ballot in all 50 ( oh!..or is that “57”?) states:
Fact: It is a simple matter to prove that one is a natural born citizen.
Fact: Obama has gone to considerable effort and spent tax dollars and his own to prevent the release of the common documents that would prove ( or disprove) his natural born status.
Fact: A natural born president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove ( with the **best** evidence) to any soldier or citizen that he was indeed natural born and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.
Conclusion: That Obama has treated military officers and citizens in the manner that he has, strongly indicates that he is a usurper.
And I’m not half as good as others here at FR at squashing BS like yours!
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Well?...Gee! Since it is all sooooooo straight forward why didn't and why doesn't Obama simply release all the of the best evidence that would prove ( or disprove) his natural born status.
Oh...And by the way, the issue is natural born status. There is more to be a natural born citizen than merely being born in Hawaii, if indeed that was the case.
By the way, Rush Limbaugh, again ( in a **very** respectful and **serious** manner), talked about the Birthers and their concerns. That's twice in one week. There is no way Obama’s eligibility can be considered a kooky “fringe” issue.
Again:
Fact: It is a simple matter to prove that one is a natural born citizen.
Fact: Obama has gone to considerable effort and spent tax dollars and his own to prevent the release of the common documents that would prove ( or disprove) his natural born status.
Fact: A natural born president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove ( with the **best** evidence) to any soldier or citizen that he was indeed natural born and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.
Conclusion: That Obama has treated military officers and citizens in the manner that he has, strongly indicates that he is a usurper.
I think the city of Washington DC would burn to the ground with rioting if he was impeached and removed.
Think how sad that would be....
Lets impeach him, ASAP. Like now.
For all the reasons listed below Obama will have a hard time getting on the ballot in all 50 ( oh!..or is that “57”?) states:
Fact: It is a simple matter to prove that one is a natural born citizen.
Fact: Obama has gone to considerable effort and spent tax dollars and his own to prevent the release of the common documents that would prove ( or disprove) his natural born status.
Fact: A natural born president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove ( with the **best** evidence) to any soldier or citizen that he was indeed natural born and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.
Conclusion: That Obama has treated military officers and citizens in the manner that he has, strongly indicates that he is a usurper.
Obama presented evidence that he was a natural born citizen to the world when he posted his Certification of Live Birth on the internet for the entire planet to see. It says that he was born at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961 in the City of Honolulu, in the County of Honolulu, on the Island of Oahu, in the state of Hawaii. Two newspaper birth announcements in the local Honolulu newspapers of August 13, 1961 and August 14, 1961 back that information up.
That information has also been authenticated and re-confirmed by the Republican Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, by the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii, Mark L. Bennett and also by the Governor’s appointees Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health and Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, Registrar of Records. Additionally, 71 lawsuits have attempted to get rulings that Obama is ineligible, all 71 have failed including 8 attempts at the Supreme Court of the United States: Berg v Obama, Beverly v FEC, Craig v US, Donofrio v Wells, Herbert v Obama, Lightfoot v Bowen, Schneller v Cortes, and Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz.
Time will tell whether Obama’s on the ballot in 2012 or not.
Military officers and enlisted personnel don’t care how they are treated by Commanders-in-chief, they do their duty to the nation, regardless. One officer has most likely ruined his career in opposition while still accepting pay checks from Obama while a million three hundred thousand others continue to serve the nation. I would note that Secretary of Defense Gates (who held the same position under George W. Bush) and General David Petraeus seem to have no problem serving under Obama. Presidents come, presidents go, but the nation’s defense is forever.
Real usurpers usually don’t receive 69.4 million popular votes and 365 electoral college votes with no challenges to their electoral college votes from any of the 535 members of Congress. Usurpers aren’t often at 71 wins and 0 losses in lawsuits challenging their eligibility.
If you were ever to be really honest with yourself, you’d admit that there is NO information that Barack Hussein Obama II could EVER present that would convince you that he’s a natural born citizen.
As an amateur genealogist, my questions are -
Is a newspaper article a legal document that could be presented as proof of birth in a court of law?
Why is no hospital in Hawaii claiming that Obama was born in their facility?
Why doesn’t the Hawaii DOH confirm that the COLB posted on the internet was indeed issued from their office?
If the COLB posted on the internet is proven to be a fake, why would Obama provide a fake birth record if he has an authentic one?
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Can anyone here answer my questions?
As an amateur genealogist, my questions are -
Is a newspaper article a legal document that could be presented as proof of birth in a court of law?
Courts have been willing to admit hearsay evidence under 803(24) when the declarant is available and subject to cross-examination and the hearsay statement in question was not the product of faulty perception, memory or meaning, the dangers against which the hearsay rule seeks to guard.
‘It’s crazy,’ said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. ‘I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.’”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are ‘more like threats,’ explained that the Certificate of Live Birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. ‘If you were born in Bali, for example,’ Okubo explained, ‘you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.’”
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Senator McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”—Governor of Hawaii Linda Lingle (R)
It's not hard to find the sources even though links aren't given.
“No, a newspaper article can be corroborating evidence only and is usually considered hearsay. There are exceptions and a judge can rule an article to be admissible as evidence.”
THANK YOU.
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“Since the implementation of HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) in 2003, a hospital could be fined up to $250,000 for releasing confidential health information without the person named on the document’s permission.”
SIMPLE REMEDY TO THAT OBSTACLE. - WHY DOESN’T THE PERSON NAMED ON THE DOCUMENT, WHO ALREADY CLAIMED HE WAS BORN AT KAPI’OLANI HOSPITAL , GIVE THE HOSPITAL AND THE HAWAII DOH PERMISSION TO CONFIRM HIS BIRTH THERE?
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/obamahospitalletter.jpg
INCIDENTLY, WHY DID KAPI’OLANI HOSPITAL SCRUB THIS LETTER FROM THEIR WEBSITE?
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JANICE OKUBO SHOULD ISSUE A WRITTEN STATEMENT (WITH OBAMA’S PERMISSION) THAT THE INTERNET COLB APPEARS TO BE THE DOCUMENT THEY ISSUED TO BARRACK OBAMA ON JUNE 6, 2007 AND THEN PROVIDE THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION. IF GOV. LINDA LINGLE AND JANICE OKUBO MADE THEIR STATEMENTS BEFORE A FEDERAL JUDGE INSTEAD OF A RADIO INTERVIEW, THEY MAY HAVE MORE CREDIBILITY.
BETTER YET, I WISH OBAMA WOULD ALLOW DOCUMENT FORENSIC EXPERTS TO EXAMINE THE COLB. THAT WOULD PUT SOME OF THE SPECULATION TO REST.
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THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING. HOWEVER, YOUR ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS HAVE PROMPTED EVEN MORE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
Why all the capital letters?
If being born in a hospital is important to natural born citizen status, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison are in big trouble!
Anybody know what hospital the George Bushes and Bill Clinton were born in?
True story: my Goddaughter was born in her father’s car rushing to the maternity ward. That information is nobody’s business unless she chooses to reveal it.
If Obama was delivered by a hippie midwife on a commune at a North Shore beach on Oahu, he’s still born in Hawaii.
Obama has been very diligent about not giving his political opposition any information about his life that he doesn’t want them to have. You can hate him for that and fault him for that and vote against him for that but its not illegal to keep one’s private life private even as a public person.
Obama knows that those who are digging for details of his birth and childhood would never vote for him in a million years, so why give them the satisfaction?
On the other hand, there is a large group of voters who constantly have their citizenship status challenged and questioned: Latinos. And Obama desperately needs their votes for reelection in 2012. They gave him 66% of their support in 2008, perhaps he’s trying to up that percentage in part using the birther issue.
I think Obama likes keeping this issue alive and unresolved. His community organizing mentor, Saul Alinsky is famous for saying: “take what your opponents think is your greatest weakness and use it against them.”
The Constitutional Law lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School part of Obama must enjoy winning lawsuits on this issue. Thus far he’s 71 dismissals and 0 trials on his birth certificate lawsuits.
If anyone wants statements on the record from Hawaii governmental officials or examination of the Obama birth documents by forensic experts, a Grand Jury investigation utlizing subpoena power is the best way to accomplish that.
Any jurisdiction where Obama’s name was on the ballot can undertake such an investigation. Grand juries go on “legal fishing expeditions” for possible evidence that would lead to indictments all the time.
Mombassa isn’t on Oahu, last time I checked.
As presented by rolling_stone
http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB121842058533028907.html
And presented last year
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303258/posts
with the update I presented earlier
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/clearing-the-smoke-on-obamas-eligibility-updated/
Lack of attention to the documents created at the time of reporting a birth event can be a problem later.
We do not know the type of document created in 1961 so as to allow the creation of the posted ‘birth certificate’ by Obama. Different legal environments will ascribe different levels of evidence/proof to each (principle of ‘best evidence’?).
At present we do not have a clear definition of ‘natural born citizen’ nor a clear, cogent and robust procedure to verify that a candidate meets the requirements. Over the decades, vetting a candidate seems to have been left to ‘investigative journalists’ who have recently become nearly extinct. Any questioning of the President’s policies, background or qualifications brings charges of racism and worse.
This issue won’t go away until it is answered, not merely addressed.
And he posts on a leftist site, like many of the other 0thugga toadies.
I’m into genealogy and found Obama’s American family going back generations. But when trying to find his recent history I ran into so many brick walls it’s a wonder I don’t have a concussion. Now who has the power and the wherewithal to execute such an enormous cover up?
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I think Obama likes keeping this issue alive and unresolved. His community organizing mentor, Saul Alinsky is famous for saying: “take what your opponents think is your greatest weakness and use it against them.”
Now is the time to hit bo and his local co-conspirators with Grand Jury Indictments in every State in the Nation.
Justice Antonin Scalia: “…In fact, the whole theory of its (the Grand Jury) function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people
Justice Lewis Powell ruled:“ Such an investigation may be triggered by tips, rumors… or the personal knowledge of the grand jurors.”
Mark Levin: “The possibility of impeachment does not immunize the president from criminal prosecution. He remains, at all times, a citizen of the United States who is answerable to the law.”
Our Founding Fathers never intended for us to be lorded over by corrupt criminals in the White House and Congress. To the contrary, our Founding Fathers intended for We the People to have control over our Government and our politicians.
For information on forming a Secret Grand Jury to investigate crimes go here:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and-lead-citizens-grand.html
“Legislation can’t override the Constitution.”
I would ask the opponents of Obamacare that.
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