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BREAKING NEWS House Dems will not "deem" Senate health bill passed
WAPO ^ | 3-20-10

Posted on 03/20/2010 11:33:56 AM PDT by pillut48

"BREAKING NEWS House Dems will not "deem" Senate health bill passed"

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; congress; deemandpass; obama; obamacare
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I agree with you here. Pelosi’s new tactic just sets them back to the beginning. The senate is under no obligation to pass her ammendments unchanged. Any democrat that is voting FOR the Senate bill has no assurances of anything. What worries me now is this executive order regarding the abortion issue that they are working on. If Stupak gets duped by it, then Piglosi will have the votes to pass the Senate bill. It will not end there however as many lawsuits over the Senate bill are being drawn up by the states and other organizations.


61 posted on 03/20/2010 11:59:12 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: stripes1776

The vote is scheduled for tomorrow. Whatever the vote count is now is nothing more than a poll. it’s not a real vote. So no. They would not do that immediately.


62 posted on 03/20/2010 12:00:18 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Shire

Last I heard they have 217 votes for.. They’ll pass it the Bastids!


63 posted on 03/20/2010 12:00:35 PM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: historyrepeatz

Unfortunately it seems as if they could just assess a tax on everyone, then give an exemption equal to that tax to anyone who buys insurance, if they were required to do a work-around on it.


64 posted on 03/20/2010 12:01:25 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: bigbob

The House can’t pass a reconciliation bill when the Senate bill is not law. It isn’t law until signed. That is the problem they were trying to get around with deem and pass. They know the House Dems are afraid after the Senate bill becomes law the Senate will not take up reconciliation. And even if they tried to take it up, reconciliation would cause several key aspects of the bill to be stripped out because points of order would succeed against them. Reconciliation is a budget tool and can’t handle policy matters. Therefore the bill would change in the Senate and be forced back to the House for ANOTHER House vote. Eventually the two chambers would have to pass the same bill or else have it compromised in a joint conference committee.


65 posted on 03/20/2010 12:01:31 PM PDT by txrangerette ("Question with boldness. Hold to the truth. Speak without fear". - Glenn Beck -)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
"The problem is the sequence. Can the House vote to amend something that isn't the law, as the Senate bill will not be law before the president's signature? The Rules Committee meeting turned into mass confusion when Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman said, "We're not going to 'deem' the bill passed. We're going to pass the Senate bill…I would be against the idea of 'deeming' something -- we either pass it or we don't. "

Now this does sound "series" AND "hugh" I hope the rats are forced to go on record voting up or down on the Senate Bill. The Bill That Madam Speaker says no one wants to vote for. Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Rules-Committee-meeting-descends-into-chaos-88725962.html#ixzz0ikEKnVP6

66 posted on 03/20/2010 12:01:41 PM PDT by lstanle
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To: DallasSun
Not true. both parties have used deem and pass.

I didn't or don't mean to say there is no Deem and Pass. What I'm saying is that the procedure of Deem and Pass doesn't amount to a hill of beans in changing anything except confusing people.

In other words, if the House approves a Deem and Pass legislative rule, the Senate Bill in its entirety would also have to be in the Deem and Pass legislative rule.

It's still an up or down vote on the Senate Bill, there's just an extra transparent layer on top of the Senate Bill to confuse people and to give some cover.

67 posted on 03/20/2010 12:02:10 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Kimberly GG

Yes, which is why this is a major setback for them. They now have to commit to the senate bill with no assurance that the senate will pass their amendments.

Pelosi’s house of cards just came crashing down.


68 posted on 03/20/2010 12:02:51 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
They are in serious disarray.

Agreed. It has nothing to do with them having the votes, and I think there are more that are jumping ship. The switchboards at Congress are still "all circuits are busy" as of about an hour ago.

69 posted on 03/20/2010 12:03:21 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("I'm a fan of disruptors" - Nancy Pelosi)
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To: penelopesire

The EO strategy worries me too. What if Obama signs an executive order with the house amendments in it?

It’s corrupt as all hell, but I wouldn’t put it past them.


70 posted on 03/20/2010 12:04:19 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: txrangerette

You got it right.


71 posted on 03/20/2010 12:04:58 PM PDT by golfisnr1
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To: OldDeckHand

Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) has 10 House Democrats who have threatened to vote ‘NO’ over regional disparities in Medicare Reimbursement Rates.....Doh!!

They’re already decorating the ‘NO’ Christmas Tree with all sorts of good reasons [abortion, cadillac tax, procedure, no public option, no illegal buy-in for Obamacare]to kill the bill.

San Fran Nan will not even bring the Senate bill up for a vote tomorrow.

It’s dead Jim.


72 posted on 03/20/2010 12:05:18 PM PDT by bigoil
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
"It’s corrupt as all hell, but I wouldn’t put it past them."

It would never pass judicial review, just ask Harry Truman. Presidential Executive Orders cannot undo enacted law. It doesn't work that way.

74 posted on 03/20/2010 12:07:52 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: wolf24

I’m with you, but they are so desperate at this point that I wouldn’t rule out anything.


75 posted on 03/20/2010 12:08:33 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: historyrepeatz

I don’t disagree ... wondering if Medicare got foisted on America without a legal fight?


76 posted on 03/20/2010 12:09:53 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: mamelukesabre
The vote is scheduled for tomorrow.

If that's the case, then we find out tomorrow. But at least now everyone has to state their vote for the bill.

77 posted on 03/20/2010 12:10:08 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: Shire

They wouldn’t have created all the ill will and outrage over deem and pass if they didn’t have to. They’re evil but not stupid.


78 posted on 03/20/2010 12:10:09 PM PDT by clintonh8r (I love my country. I hate...HATE!!...my government.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

“What if Obama signs an executive order with the house amendments in it?”

It would go straight to the Supreme Court then as an abuse of power, seperation of powers issue. I hope he tries it...it would be grounds for impeachment.


79 posted on 03/20/2010 12:10:14 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Shire

I suspect not. I think they’re just in total chaos, and forced the Sunday deadline to get a vote in before Easter and see where the chips landed.


80 posted on 03/20/2010 12:10:35 PM PDT by Uncledave
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