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EADS slumps to loss as A400 fails to takeoff
The Telegraph ^ | 3/9/2010

Posted on 03/09/2010 1:12:45 AM PST by bruinbirdman

EADS, the owner of planemaker Airbus, has scrapped its dividend as overruns on the troubled A400 military plane drove it to a loss last year.

EADS, which is the world's second-biggest aerospace company after Boeing, today reported a net loss of 763m euros (£693m) for last year compared with a profit of 1.57bn euros in 2008. Revenues fell to 42.8bn euros from 43.3bn euros.

The company told investors last week that delays on the A400M military transport aircraft it's building for European governments would force it to take a charge of 1.8bn euros. The charges also left EADS, based in both Paris and Munich, nursing an operating loss of 322m euros compared with an operating profit of 2.83bn euros.

Overruns on the A380 superjumbo, which Airbus doesn't expect to be profitable for several years, also contributed to last year's losses. "The A380 continued to weigh heavily on the underlying performance," EADS said today.


Computer illustration of proposed A400M military plane

The A400M is designed to replace ageing military planes and is already a third more costly than originally budgeted for. Tom Enders, the chief executive of Airbus, had complained in January that the company's spending of 150m euros a month on the planes was not sustainable.

Today's loss comes less than 24 hours after EADS and its American partner, Northrop-Grumman, dropped out of a nine-year, two-horse $40bn (£27bn) race to provide the US Air Force with a fleet of air tankers after accusing the American government of skewing the competition in rival Boeing's favour

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1 posted on 03/09/2010 1:12:45 AM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

World trade should be you buy our Chevy’s and we’ll buy your Telefunken ... not go into partnership and combine the two.


2 posted on 03/09/2010 1:22:28 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: bruinbirdman

For some reason reminds me of a Flying Coffin!


3 posted on 03/09/2010 1:28:26 AM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: bruinbirdman; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; ...

How much would a realistically priced A400M cost compared to a C-17?


4 posted on 03/09/2010 1:31:32 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

No comparison. The A400M is a bit bigger than a C-130J, but smaller than the C-17 by a significant margin.


5 posted on 03/09/2010 1:39:21 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
Manufacturing by committee: Germany, France, Spain, Italy.

UK finally sold out of EADS?

yitbos

6 posted on 03/09/2010 2:05:34 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: Spktyr; Paleo Conservative
C-17 has it beat in load capacity.
C-130J has it beat in configuration flexibility and maintenance/parts readiness.
They both have it beat in a/c availability.
Heck, I think they both have it also beat in unimproved runway landing/take-off ability.

The A400M is an a/c built for political reasons by committees that could not agree on the final product and did not speak the same language.
7 posted on 03/09/2010 2:13:31 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Spktyr

I really was wondering why they would put so much money into a plane that competed with the C-130.

I know the thing is still in production and it’s as mature an aviation platform that exists.


8 posted on 03/09/2010 2:17:04 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

The C-130J looks the same as the older variants, but it’s really almost an all new aircraft that just happens to look the same. They have all new engines, props, avionics and wings, for starters.


9 posted on 03/09/2010 2:29:45 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Forgot to mention: the new J-model has 40% greater range, 21% higher maximum speed, and 41% shorter take-off distance than the earlier E/H models.

And they even figured out how to make a tanker version that can provide ground support with a 30mm cannon, Hellfires, and laser/GPS guided munitions. Talk about loiter time.


10 posted on 03/09/2010 2:35:41 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tainan

The funny part is that Lockheed was involved early on with the A400M project, got fed up with the ‘design-by-committee-but-please-make-it-a-jobs-program-too’ so they bailed out, went home, and thoroughly modernized the C-130 instead. The C-130J-30 comes within a hair of all the capabilities of the larger A400M, and is going to be cheaper.


11 posted on 03/09/2010 2:37:34 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I’m sure the C-130J is completely different from the originals built in the 50’s except cosmetically.

My point is why would you want to get into competing with the most universal military cargo carrier ever made? You’re trying to compete against nearly 60 years of design/material/structural/engineering improvements. The aircraft has depots of spare parts all over the world to boot.

Seems to me this effort did nothing but burn up billions of Euros that will never be recoupled.


12 posted on 03/09/2010 3:01:07 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

EADS is nothing but a jobs program. Does that help?


13 posted on 03/09/2010 3:03:09 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
And they even figured out how to make a tanker version that can provide ground support with a 30mm cannon, Hellfires, and laser/GPS guided munitions. Talk about loiter time.

Like nuclear submarines. The limiting factor would be the food supply. Or maybe TBMO...

14 posted on 03/09/2010 3:09:32 AM PST by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Couldn’t the Euros kick in another subsidy for their supranational champion.


15 posted on 03/09/2010 3:32:48 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: Paleo Conservative
At the rate things are going the Europeans ought to seriously look at dropping the A400M and just buy 180 C-17's built to European specifications (e.g., drogue-and-probe in-flight refueling and Rolls-Royce RB.211-535E4 engines). After all, the Royal Air Force "bit the bullet" and bought the CFM56-powered E-3 Sentry when the BAe Nimrod AEW. 3 proved to be unworkable.
16 posted on 03/09/2010 4:36:28 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Spktyr

And it’s tail is still similar to the old Hughes Hercules.


17 posted on 03/09/2010 5:21:50 AM PST by onedoug
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To: RayChuang88

The Brits and Nato have already bought standard C-17’s. so have the Ausies and Canada.


18 posted on 03/09/2010 5:29:48 AM PST by cmdr straker (Buy American save Jobs)
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To: RayChuang88
At the rate things are going the Europeans ought to seriously look at dropping the A400M and just buy 180 C-17's built to European specifications

Of course with an order that big, it would make sense for Boeing to also develop a stretched, higher gross weight, longer ranged version that could be used to replace the C-5A's.

19 posted on 03/09/2010 6:16:26 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: bruinbirdman

bump


20 posted on 03/09/2010 8:05:55 AM PST by hattend (The era of John McCain is over, the era of Ronald Reagan is back! Go Sarah Go!)
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