3 dozen lawmakers want proof of Obama eligibility

WorldNetDaily ^ | January 18, 2010 | Bob Unruh

[RobinMasters]

Lawmakers in Arizona have proposed a law that would require state officials to begin independently verifying the accuracy of newly required documents affirming the constitutional eligibility of any candidate for the U.S. presidency.

"Certainly, there has been controversy over President Obama and his birth certificate, where he was born, etc.," state Sen. Sylvia Allen, R-Snowflake, told the Arizona Capitol Times. "It just makes sense and will stop any controversy in the future to just show you are a natural born citizen."

She is one of about three dozen lawmakers to sign on as co-sponsors.

The plan would accomplish essentially the same thing as that proposed by Rep. Bill Posey, R-Fla., on the federal level.

The provisions of Posey's H.R. 1503 are straightforward: "To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."

[Seizethecarp]

“If I am not mistaken, all that Hawaii can produce is the short-form COLB.”

My research, and that of other FReepers, is that you are mistaken.

Contrary to the false impression put out by the Obama campaign, aided by the MSM who, in the case of CNN ordered Lou Dobbs to report that original vital records had been destroyed, the the files “went electronic”, the HI department of vital records has confirmed that they have retained all original vital records.

While the short form is deemed sufficient under FRE and by HI as proof of birth, an individual can request release of copies of all of their vital records from HI. Obama has refused to do so.

Just because a certified copy of a short-form is deemed “self-authenticating” under FRE, that is only true if it is uncontested in a legal proceding. It can be contested, should such a legal proceeding occur, including discovery.

DOJ/Obama will contest such a release in discovery of course, such as in quo warranto, but under the FRE best evidence rule, I suspect DOJ will lose.

[Dustbunny]

WOW !!!!!!

About time !!!!!

[opentalk]

Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, earlier told the East Valley Tribune her plan is not aimed directly at Obama, although she does have concerns about his loyalties.

"When someone bows to the king of Saudi Arabia and they apologize for our country around the world, I have a problem with that," she told the newspaper. ..

"Obama has a book and it said, when it came down to it, he would be on the Muslim side," Burges said. "Doesn't that bother you just a little bit?"

Hope other states do the same.

[Fred Hayek]

If you’re a Texan, it’s part of your heart forever.

Why thank you. I’m originally from New Jersey, but lived in Houston for 12 years, and now stuck in Minnesota. Home remains TEXAS (I escaped from New Jersey).

[rxsid]

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

 

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

 

 

Furthermore:  Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaii birth certificate.

[rxsid]

"Just because a certified copy of a short-form is deemed “self-authenticating” under FRE, that is only true if it is uncontested in a legal proceding. It can be contested, should such a legal proceeding occur, including discovery. DOJ/Obama will contest such a release in discovery of course, such as in quo warranto, but under the FRE best evidence rule, I suspect DOJ will lose."

Furthermore, strange how the world famous short form has never been entered into any one the (many) court records as "proof" for the defense.

Could it be because an internet pic (or color copy of one) would never be entered as proof in such a case like this...because it isn't. Perhaps the defense agrees that the issue has been thoroughly "blogged and twittered."

/s

[BIGLOOK]

Furthermore: Hawaii's Territorial Law, Chapter 57 - "VITAL STATISTICS, I", shown beginning pg 23 of 29, (the law in effect in 1961) allowed baby's born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a Hawaii birth certificate.

Well.....just about anywhere. Want to know why this happened in the Territory of Hawaii and continued into the 70's?

[MrRobertPlant2009]

Why would anyone enter “proof” before there is a trial. They keep knocking these out on standing. No need for “proof.”

If one of these ever actually got to trial, my prediction is that Obama would enter the COLB and win a directed verdict. The end.

[rxsid]

"If one of these ever actually got to trial, my prediction is that Obama would enter the COLB and win a directed verdict. The end"

You think he'd enter the internet image, or a copy of it? Or, by COLB, do you mean he'd enter a certified copy of the long form?

[rxsid]

Oh, I know why it happened. And, it’s really no big surprise as similar kinds of shake-down continue to take place today and not just in HI.

[Seizethecarp]

“Furthermore, strange how the world famous short form has never been entered into any one the (many) court records as “proof” for the defense.”

My recollection is that not a single case has entered the discovery phase during which evidence would be officially entered into the court record after court-ordered subpoenas and depositions all in preparation for being “proved up” during the trial.

So far, it has only been necessary for Obama’s defense team to file for dismissal on the basis that no plaintiff has a right to even be in court to challenge Obama. So there has been no need for the defense to put even the HI short form into evidence. They just didn't have to.

[rxsid]

Right. I rather doubt, though, that if the time came when they did actually go to trial...that they’d offer that thing up as any kind of proof. Assuming they were competent that is.

[Hotmetal]

I lived in Del Rio for five years,boy do I miss Texas.

[BIGLOOK]

Check out Hawaii's population post WWII and during the early 50's, it was around 500,000. During the 50's the population grew by 20% to exceed the magical number of 600,000 needed for Statehood. This growth was finagled for that goal.

It was just recently that a public information spot on the local media was broadcast stressing the importance of filling out the 2010 Census forms and mailing them in. Every warm body in Hawaii means $1200 in federal funding to the state. It was less in 1959 but the political motivations for population maintenance or growth the same.

[MrRobertPlant2009]

To be honest, I really don’t know what all this terminology ultimately means.

What do you need to get a passport? Whatever that is, they would enter that.

And from your perspective, why does the birth certificate matter? You know he has a parent who was an alien.

If you are hung up on this two citizen parents nonsense, why do you care about the birth certificate? You should be trying to get his memoirs entered as evidence.

[rxsid]

What "I" would need to get a passport, and what a politician who is being "groomed" by the power/money class would need are two entirely different things.

Following on that thought...If I were to be asked by someone (say, the DMV), for a copy of my b.c., and I gave them a URL for where they could view an image of my b.c., there is a zero percent chance that they would accept that on "face value."

The birth certificate is secondary, but still important because as we've learned, it was legal for a baby born anywhere in the world to be eligible to apply for a HI birth certificate. It would help to establish weather or not he's a "citizen."

The bottom line remains, born in HI or born somewhere else, he was born a subject of the British crown. And that, is no nonsense.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard provides an interesting assessment from U.S. Senate Republican attorneys on Scott Brown's Constitutional qualifications and whether or not the Democrats can delay seating him if he wins in MA.

"But based on Massachusetts law, Senate precedent, and the U.S. Constitution, Republican attorneys said Kirk will no longer be a senator after election day, period. Brown meets the age, citizenship, and residency requirements in the Constitution to qualify for the Senate. 'Qualification' does not require state 'certification,' the lawyers said."

I wonder how they ascertained that Brown meets those Constitutional requirements. I'm sure he does, but what legal process did they follow to determine his qualifications? Are they relying on the fact that the MA SOS certified him to be on the special-election ballot? There are no laws of which I am aware that require candidates to produce qualifying documents.

They make the specific point that qualification is separate and apart from a state's certification of election. So did that apply to Obama too then?

[rxsid]

Is there a reason to have any doubt that Scott Brown is NOT a "citizen?" If there is, then he should be required to submit proof of citizenship.

Are you implying that he's either an illegal alien, a visitor on a visa or a permanent resident green card holder?

[BuckeyeTexan]

IIRC, the court ruled in McCain’s eligibility case that McCain had a Constitutional right to run for elected office regardless of whether or not he qualified to hold that office.

[SevenofNine]

OH OH somebody never hear of Crazy Nut job and Mullahs LOL!