Posted on 10/08/2009 12:03:15 PM PDT by thouworm
But the clear truth is that a vote for cloture is a vote for Obamacare, and not just its ruinous impact on Medicare for seniors and medicine generally but also for the trickery that is obscuring the real and vast costs of the bills and the refusal to allow the American people the opportunity to see and read what it is they are being obliged to sacrifice their health care and benefits for.
Mesciless = merciless
Why is it that you wish to protect the current system of Socialized Medicine which is of course called Medicare and Medicaid?
It depends on what your definition of “is” is.
Florida ... We have high senior counts that vote.
Nelson is the one to focus on, he was the most evasive. Told them I blog, the little pert girl who answered got a whole lot less cutesy.
Crist’s place holder Senator is a black hole ... Rubio would be far better.
see post #19
Medicare recipients spend several decades paying into the system before they begin to use the program when they hit the retirement age.
They now want to "expand" the program so that it covers the rest of the people; -from newborn infants to 88 year octogenarians.
And a program that will allow everyone to access it each and every year for any kind of illness or ailment.
Try to imagine what would happen if all the workers were allowed to access their own Social Security accounts each and every year for some kind of funds.
Social Security wouldn't survive five years.
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Welcome.
Those who are truly needy can turn to charity for their critical medical needs instead of Medicaid.
Seniors who have paid into Medicare can have the money they paid into Medicare refunded.
Of course, we would have to deduct the money that has been spent on their medical treatment by Medicare from their refund.
Those seniors could use the money from their Medicare refund to enter the Private Insurance Market.
Abolish Medicaid
Abolish Medicare
Lets look at the challenges facing the democrats: 1) Public opinion is not in their favor and is scaring their own members; 2)political backlash in 2010; 3) the prohibitive cost of their reform is scaring the public; 4) getting a bill out of the Senate with the public option included; and 50 getting people to actually sign up for it.
Lets look at how they are overcoming and will overcome these challenges:
1) Simply pretend everyone wants the dems version of health care reform. This is now being accomplished by cooking up headlines and stories that do not match the polls that are being discussed in the stories, e.g. the Quinnipiac (sp?) poll today. This creates the illusion for the rank and file dems that the public option is No.1 with the American People. The MSM simply reports that up is down and down is up.
2) Make the bill effective after 2013. This way they can go out next year and tell the American People that the Republicans were lying about the adverse consequences of the bill. See, nothing has happened. Oh sure, the Republicans will point out that there are no consequences because the bill has not yet taken effect, but the MSM will BURY that fact as easy as 1, 2, 3.
3) The system was rigged to bury the true cost. The CBO can't comment on the real cost until an actual bill exists yet they were forced to prior to a bill being written. By the time actual legislative language exists, the thing will have been voted on and passed. Congrats dems on gaming the system.
4) Two bills will come out of committee in the Senate, one with the option and one without. Dingy Harry will simply write the final bill with it in and that is what will get voted on. With the cost problem solved and the public opinion problem masked and the political fallout taken care of, no dem will dare to vote against cloture.
5) The private insurance companies will be taxed out of business leaving no choice but the public option. Now that is competition!!!
That's not politically feasible at this point ( which everyone realizes ).
But we can stop Obamacare.
Which you have little interest in actually doing.
You're just here to stir up sh*t, - as usual.
Your act is becoming pretty tired, truman.
Go find another site to troll.
As I have seen with my parents and detailed in numerous news stories, Medicare is full of abuse and in many cases Medicare pays out costs that are beyond the current market price for services.
Medicare and Medicare are systems of Socialized Medicine and demonstrate what Obamacare will bring on a somewhat larger scale.
So, it would be to all of our benefit and to the benefit of our nation’s future if we were to abolish Medicaid and Medicare.
But again, that is another battle for another time.
And even a guy like Peter Schiff is able to grasp that fact.
Forget about abolishing Medicare for now, troll.
Focus on defeating Obamacare ( which IS politically feasible ).
Infuriates me that Congress not only refuses to listen to their constituency on this matter; but by their silence about the Obama Adm corruption, they have essentially admitted to their own corruption and are willfully allowing the subversion of the US Constitution.
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Thomas Sowell column on 8-9-09 entitled “Listening To a Liar”
Sowell on Obama’s Porkulus Package: Here the administration was successful in rushing a massive spending bill through Congress in just two days— after which it sat on the President’s desk for three days, while he was away on vacation....What was the rush to pass it, then? It was not to get that money out into the economy as fast as possible. It was to get that money— and the power that goes with it— into the hands of the government.
Sowell on Obama’s Healthcare Grab: He tried to rush Congress into passing a massive government takeover of the nation’s medical care before the August recess— for a program that would not take effect until 2013!
If we do not believe that the President is stupid, then what do we believe? The only reasonable alternative seems to be that he wanted to get this massive government takeover of medical care passed into law before the public understood what was in it.
Moreover, he wanted to get re-elected in 2012 before the public experienced what its actual consequences would be.
Sowell on Obama’s Czars: The proliferation of White House “czars” in charge of everything from financial issues to media issues is more of the same circumvention of the public and of the Constitution. Czars don’t have to be confirmed by the Senate, the way Cabinet members must be, even though czars may wield more power, so you may never know what these people are like, until it is too late.
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2009/09/08/listening_to_a_liar
Like I said, I am opposed to Socialized Medicine and therefore must oppose Obamacare as well as Medicare and Medicaid.
It is more than Congress not listening to its constituency. Congress HATES their constituency. The neo-aristorcray simply resents the fact that we the people have any say at all in the governing of this country. This is why they are eager to pass the One’s agenda. It simply renders the right to vote meaningless further insulating the neo-aristocracy from the masses.
no argument from me on that point. How long do you think it’s going to take for Americans to stop seeing themselves as victims of their own government and realize that these elected officials are our public SERVANTS.
Even Democrat Pat Caudell (Dem in Carter admm & consultant) said to Glenn Beck: “Washington has become the enemy of the people.”
One of the reasons that the Republicans have to get out ahead of this 2013 effective date provision of the bill is so that they can keep the American People engaged. Otherwise, the American People will go to sleep, keep the dems in power and not realize the consequences until it is too late. 2013 must be the sword hanging over the public. I would make this the center of my opposition to the bill if I were Republicans. If it looks like the bill is going to pass, I would try to make its provisions effective immediately so that that people feel the sting and realize the consequences of “hope and change.”
In Arizona we are trying to find someone to replace McCain. Best hope IMHO is JD Hayworth. He has only stated that he is “thinking” about it.
By any chance do you live in Tarpon Springs? Love that place.
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