Posted on 09/29/2009 4:38:33 AM PDT by steve-b
When Glenn Beck made his Fox debut, some shrewd conservatives responded with a wink. Maybe the show was paranoid and hysterical. Maybe Beck was none too scrupulous about facts and truth. But why be squeamish? The other side did as bad, or nearly. And see how usefully he mobilized the base!
Those shrewd conservatives assumed Beck was working for them. Big mistake. Beck is working for himself – and he chooses his targets according to his own scheme of priorities....
Glenn Beck is not the first to make a pleasant living for himself by reckless defamation. We have seen his kind before in American journalism and American politics, and the good news is that their careers never last long. But the bad news is that while their careers do last, such people do terrible damage.....
(Excerpt) Read more at newmajority.com ...
Does he call for legal representation for animals or not? Does he want animals to be afforded the right to sue their owners or not? If he is such a powerful conservative why are we just now hearing about it? Just asking!
Poor Frum, not getting invited to all the Brie and Chablis parties cause of those messy Tea Partiers.
Pray for America and Our Troops
repeat a lie often enough, and ...
No, it’s just still a stupid annoying lie.
Typical liberal!!!
Isn’t Frum the creep that worked for McCain and back stabbed Sarah Palin with all of the “inside” talk about how dumb she is?
Definition: “MOB” - any group of people the democrats can’t control.
He’s frightened.
And Mr. Frum... We are not amused.
Does there have to be? it’s just spam, pops up now and then on random threads. IT’s always the same pictures and links, but sometimes they are in different order.
Beck’s working for himself. And what’s wrong with that? That’s what people do in America, and it usually ends up good for America in some small measure.
In Beck’s case it could end up very, very good for America. He’s asking questions that need to be asked, and considered seriously. He’s making people sit up and think, and we sure need more of that.
We don’t need more white-livered, water-hearted RINOs.
I just looked him up, which I should have done before I posted.
Apparently I have him mixed up with someone else.
He is just an ordinary rino, but apparently not the one that knifed Palin.
Posting the work of your fellow faux conservatives again, I see.
THose are the questions. Have you seen a single quote from Susstein to suggest he does?
It should be easy enough to get them, if it is true.
This thread has over 70 posts already, and only two of them have even tried to discuss the actual point of the Frum article.
And one of them just mentioned Susstein showing up on the cover of an NRA magazine, I presume in an article opposing him, which is odd if Frum is right about Susstein supporting Heller in the DC case.
So which of the two are telling the truth, Frum or Beck? Neither quotes Susstein, so we can’t tell.
I agree that Frum’s allegation that Beck is a serial defamer is ridiculous, and that hurts his credibility. Beck does go over the top sometimes in my opinion, but he doesn’t intentionally lie and decieve like Olbermann does and most of the evidence he presents is factual - the bottom line is that those facts have gotten results in both the Van Jones and Acorn scandals.
So if I didn’t know the specific facts associated with Sunstein and all I had to go on was Frum’s article and Beck’s history, I would side with Beck. Would be curious to know if what Beck has said about Sunstein is factually accurate or misleading, though. I hope he hasn’t oversold it, at least not too much.
Nah, his finger is in the wind. When it's fashionable to be a conservative again he'll try to crawl back.
Beck must be doing something right.
I think we should examine the facts. However, it’s also fun to snark Frum for a bit.
For example, it’s funny that he complains that Beck never actually quotes Sunstein, but then Frum didn’t quote him either.
Also, Frum says that “only 33 republicans” voted against cloture, showing republcians didn’t really oppose him; but that means only 7 DIDN’T vote for cloture, hardly a ringing republican endorsement.
And Frum notes that nearly every republican voted against him; if the most liberal republicans were voting no, there was probably something ELSE about Sunstein that disturbed them, not the animal cruelty thing.
Frum is often on the wrong side of conservative issues. But it doesn’t mean that he’s wrong about Beck’s charges against Sunstein.
And I hope most of us can agree that it hurts the conservative movement whenever we can be shown to be making up charges against people, or sounding the alarm bells for things that turn out to be nothing.
BTW, I think Frum misses a point about Obama. I’ve noticed that sometimes Obama picks someone who has a lot of actually rational views, but for a job where the person’s most radical views would come to bear.
So, Obama might pick a gun-rights person, but for a job that has nothing to do with gun rights. A job that could effect guns would go to an anti-gun person.
So maybe the Republicans weren’t voting out of fear of “lies” Glenn Beck was spouting. Maybe they really thought that, for the position Sunstein was being appointed to, Sunstein wasn’t qualified, or would be very bad for the country.
Listen, FRiend, if you are referring to post #21,
which URL listed is a "lie"?
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