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Ohio Bill Would Include Father's Right's in Abortion Decision-Making Process
Life News ^ | July 17, 2009 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 09/02/2009 11:24:57 AM PDT by Lorianne

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To: Lorianne

Waaaaayyy overdue.


21 posted on 09/02/2009 12:40:05 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Lorianne

Count me on board.


22 posted on 09/02/2009 12:51:57 PM PDT by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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To: Lorianne
Won't pass, can't pass.

Either you give a father veto power or you don't.
And they won't. (Or rather, if they do, it'll be struck down.)

23 posted on 09/02/2009 1:30:22 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: cherry
this I AGREE with.....responsibilty goes two ways....maybe if some women knew they would have to raise Junior by themselves, they wouldn't be so quick to jump into bed with just anybody....

This is one reason why marriage was more prevalent decades ago -- before paternity tests it was easier for men to deny they were the father of a girl's child, and walk away. And it was much harder for a mother to make it without a husband. This created a big incentive to at least try to confine sex to marriage. Earlier marriage helped as well.

24 posted on 09/02/2009 2:58:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Lesforlife

Oh, I certainly would be for recognizing the full personhood of the unborn.

I just feel for the dads who want to keep and raise their kids who currently have no say in the matter.


25 posted on 09/02/2009 6:07:04 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Marie2; Lesforlife

What about the BABY’S say in the matter?


26 posted on 09/02/2009 6:10:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Of course as we know a baby can’t vocalize an opinion. His parents are supposed to advocate for him. To my despair, maybe a third of the mothers arrange for their children to be killed.

Perhaps with dad involved their odds would improve somewhat. If dad wants an abortion, too, then it wouldn’t help. But I have made the acquaintance of fathers desperate to save their babies’ lives who had no legal say. They could have made a difference if they had a legal standing.


27 posted on 09/02/2009 6:17:10 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: humble and shy

“While we’re on this subject, can someone tell me why a man who kills a pregnant woman and her fetus can be charged with double homicide but an abortion doctor or a woman who kills her own fetus cannot be charged with murder? I don’t understand.”

It’s called cognitive dissonance. There is no logic there.


28 posted on 09/02/2009 6:18:04 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Lorianne

Seems to me that if a woman bears 100% of the responsibility for the choice to have an abortion, she should bear 100% of the burden for the consequences of having the child. A father, therefore, should be able to opt out of paying child support.

100% her decision, 100% her financial burden.

Fair is fair.


29 posted on 09/02/2009 6:20:40 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Ted Grant

Fair, except for to the child.


30 posted on 09/02/2009 6:26:33 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

True, but I’m just trying to make the liberal world view more consistent, that’s all.


31 posted on 09/02/2009 7:07:50 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: cherry

As long as he is forced to pay child support, he should have a say.

Plus it will blow away the pro-choice argument that “if the baby is unwanted, it will have a miserable life any way.” Obviously if the father wants to raise the child, the child is not unwanted.


32 posted on 09/02/2009 7:42:37 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: PapaBear3625
I agree with this. Let the father opt out of support. But I could not agree with essentially giving the father ultimate say over the woman's body.

The father can keep his swimmers to himself if he's really that worried.

33 posted on 09/02/2009 8:38:17 PM PDT by TNdandelion (I'd rather have FedEx run my healthcare than USPS.)
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To: Lorianne

They need to push this over and over and over until one day it goes through.

No surrender.


34 posted on 09/02/2009 9:16:09 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Abathar

They can check DNA after with a giant fine for a mismatch.

That would scare away fraudulent stand-ins.


35 posted on 09/02/2009 9:17:23 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Pravious
My third child was murdered because my ex-wife decided she didn’t want to be bothered having it

Fathers have a natural right to protect the lives of their children from conception forward: the law has to recognize that.

36 posted on 09/02/2009 9:18:41 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: mockingbyrd

No. The right to save the life of one’s child does not in any way confer a right to desert one’s child.


37 posted on 09/02/2009 9:20:06 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: cherry

Your view of fatherhood is reprehensibly ugly.


38 posted on 09/02/2009 9:21:19 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: humble and shy
I’d like to see something like this in place but, sadly, I don’t think it will ever happen.

It has to happen. Depriving fathers of their natural right to protect their own daughters and sons is the death of the human race.

39 posted on 09/02/2009 9:23:49 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Tanniker Smith

Counterproductively fatalistic much?


40 posted on 09/02/2009 9:24:56 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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