[Polarik]

I find it hard to believe that people are still talking about this birth announcement as if it actually proved that Obama was born in Hawaii. Here are the questions I have for those who insist it can:

1. EXACTLY, which part of this announcement indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii?

2. EXACTLY, which part of this ad indicates that this announcement was NOT phoned in?

Let me reiterate the fact that birth announcements can and were phoned in. Saying that they only came from Vital Records is patently false.

Secondly, and I know that this won't sit well with the Obama supporters, but the evidence for Obama being born outside of Hawaii is stronger than it is for being born inside, and that Ann Dunham obtained her son's birth certificate several days dater.

I checked with the sales department and classifieds at the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin. Call them yourselves if you don't believe me.

Plus, there is a lot more than suspicion about the address listed, as posted elsewhere, that there is no record of Mr & Mrs Barack Obama ever living there, but there is of another family. Also no black man or black child was ever seen there.

But, let's explore an alternative explanation: that the microfiche was altered.

The date of the birth announcements in the Aug 13, 1961 issue of the Sunday Advertiser ran from Sunday, July 30 to Monday, August 7.

The order of the birthdates, from the 1st listing to the 12th, seems to be random, ranging from July 30 to August 6. Since typeface is set from bottom to top, the last listing is actually the first, and from there upwards to the 13 th listing, the order is increasing chronologically from 4, 4, 4, 4 {Obama's}, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, and the # of ads by day goes from Friday (4), Saturday (4), Sunday (1), and Monday (2).

Why would the Advertiser start its column with the weekend before last, from Friday to Monday, and then randomly from that point onwards?

If every listing came from Vital Records, then you would expect the entire list to be ordered by date or name. But, we know it's not. Maybe the first half came from the same hospital?

 

Those lines have been identified by some as "typeset lines" or ghost lines. The Advertiser listing for Obama has lines on both the top and bottom that continue on into the next column. The Star Bulletin listing does not.

[Beckwith]

Plus, there is a lot more than suspicion about the address listed, as posted elsewhere, that there is no record of Mr & Mrs Barack Obama ever living there, but there is of another family.

There is no evidence that there ever was a Mr & Mrs Barack Obama or that Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham ever lived together under the same roof at any time.

[Iowan]

Thanks for the excellent post, Polarik

Ping.

[BP2]

1. EXACTLY, which part of this (newspaper) announcement indicates that Obama was born in Hawaii?

Ding, Ding, Ding!

Address of residence (like might be submitted to the state via mail) DOES NOT mean Address of Birth,
nor does address of residence denote State/Nation of birth!

     [§338-17.8]  Certificates for children born out of State.  (a)  Upon application of an adult
or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such
adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal
parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared
the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately
preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

     (b)  Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner
that the director shall deem appropriate.  The director of health may also adopt any rules
pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent
applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events
necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

     (c)  The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted
pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

Section 3 of the Hawaii Constitution. No person shall be deemed to have gained or lost
residence simply because of the person's presence or absence while employed in the service
of the United States, or while engaged in navigation or while a student at any institution
of learning. [Am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978] -- As Anna Obama was while
attending Univ. of Washington in 1961-1962 while living in Seattle.

[justiceseeker93]

Seems like phoning in of birth announcements by the the newborn's family (or by hospital personnel) has been by far the most common way of placing these announcements in local newspapers for as long as I know of. In the case of the Honolulu papers, it could well have been that some of the announcements were from the state agency and others from private sources.

What is your interpretation of the additional horizontal lines running across the top and bottom of the Obama announcement? Is this an indication that the Obama announcement was likely grafted on at a later date?

[BIGLOOK]

Phone in announcements were a convenience, they saved a 20 cent bus ride from Makiki to the Honolulu Advertiser and Star Bulletin publishers which were the same site at the time.

6085 Kalanianaole Hwy.....was it ever mentioned earlier that Madelyn Dunham was the loan officer at the Bank of Hawaii( like car loans, business loans.....mortgages)?

[hoosiermama]

Look at the lines on top and bottom of the ads. Then look at the frequency of announcements. 4 than ad four then ad, lots...announcement is about where an add should be and there is a line above and below the Obama announcement just like in the ads.....or am I seeing things. Please check it out!