Posted on 06/10/2009 1:47:46 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta
Glenn Greenwald passes along a clip of Richard Wolffe discussing his new Barack Obama biography, “Renegade,” on G. Gordon Liddy’s talk show, in an interview that rather quickly dovetails into Liddy’s conspiracy theories about Obama’s citizenship.
LIDDY: You mentioned distractions. One of these distractions right now is these lawsuits that take the position that he is not constitutionally eligible to be president of the United States because he is not a naturally-born citizen. Now, he could clear that up in an instant by producing a genuine birth certificate. And yet he refuses to do it. He says he has one but he won’t do it. What is behind that? Hubris or what? WOLFFE: Well, I’m going to differ with you on this one. This came up during the campaign. A copy of the birth certificate is out there. Anyone can see it. He was born in Hawaii. There are documents from the state of Hawaii that prove it. I don’t know what else you really expect me to do.
LIDDY: Well, here’s the thing. The document you speak of is a “certificate of live birth,” which is not a birth certificate. You can’t get a passport with that, you can’t even register your kids…
WOLFFE: Yes you can. That’s what I do. That’s what everyone does. The certificate of live birth is exactly what you get a passport with.
LIDDY: No, it’s a birth certificate.
WOLFFE: That’s — the copy of the birth certificate, everyone has copies of birth certificates. They use them all the time. Nobody hands out the one original document.
LIDDY: No, I wouldn’t expect them to.
WOLFFE: When you go to the DMV you take a copy with you. You don’t take the real… and it’s an official copy, it has to be embossed and stamped, it’s not just like a xerox. But that’s what it is, and it’s widely accepted.
LIDDY: Why is it redacted? Why is it redacted?
WOLFFE: I haven’t seen any redactions.
LIDDY: The one that’s on the internet, that’s the one that I’ve seen, and that one has the serial number redacted.
WOLFFE: I have no idea. I’ve seen one with serial numbers on it and everything. So I don’t know what the problem is here. Do you have an idea of where he was born if it wasn’t in Hawaii?
LIDDY: Yeah, there’s an affidavit from his grandmother that says that she observed the birth in Mombassa, Kenya.
WOLFFE: Yeah. You know, I just think that that is completely false.
The document provided on the internet has already been proclaimed a forgery by two seperate document experts. No one seems to have seen the physical document and Pres__ent Obomba won't let any of his prior documentation be seen.
What does he expect people to think?
Exactly, but the CoLB posted still would need to be "modified" as place of birth is not changed on amended certificates.
If he did the "Right thing", and stepped down or otherwise no longer occuppied the office or attempted to exercise it's powers, then it's possible Biden would become President. If Biden were declared a party to the fraud, then who knows, such a situation is not anticipated by the Constitution. The Constitution assumes that an ineligible person would never take office.
But if he refused to step down, or otherwise leave, it could get ugly. Really, really ugly. Perhaps that is the point.
And someone has been commiting treason,,,happily I might add.
We are witness to treason, Barney,,got yer bullet?
None of the above. Per the 25th Amendment: "In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President." Biden would be president.
C’mon, guys, if you’re this wrapped up in this subject and HAVEN’T done enough research to find these pics then you deserve every marginalizing snide “birther” insult being hurled.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_4.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_8.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
Yes, I know FactCheck should be called PropagandaZone. But there’s the pics, high resolution, showing a perfectly normal what-you-get-for-$10 un-redacted legal acknowledgement by the State of Hawaii that the indicated person was born in Hawaii the _state_ (not territory, not independent country), complete with legally-certifying embossed stamp and official (albeit stamped) signature of the authority in charge of such records. There is, AFAIK (and I do look into these things and have an eye for it), no alterations/doctoring/photoshopping of the images.
Yes, I know you won’t be satisfied until you see the “vault original” with your own eyes. Have YOU seen YOUR “vault original” birth certificate with YOUR own eyes? $10 or so gets you the certified copy akin to what’s shown above; AFAIK, nobody gets to see their vault original. I’ve seen a direct copy of mine (not the actual original, but not the transposed-and-laserprinted-copy either) and there ain’t much on there that you’re looking for as possibly incriminating (maybe it’s different in Hawaii).
Yes, I know that Hawaii allegedly has a problem with providing certified copies of birth certificates which indicate the individual was born in the state when they weren’t. If that’s the case, then it shouldn’t be hard to legally prove such unreliability - has anyone tried that yet? as in: “here’s proof that the State of Hawaii knew persons X, Y, Z, P, D, and Q were born outside the state and outside the USA, yet here are certified copies of birth certificates claiming they’re natural-born US citizens”?
And yes, I believe he was actually born in Kenya and is completely ineligible to serve as POTUS, and that a conspiracy to produce the legal-and-certified document above is entirely possible (as it involves just a few bureaucrats who work the vault). I just don’t have any legal proof, and am humble enough to realize that legal proof to the contrary (above) is legal proof to the contrary.
Do your homework. Stop chasing long-rotted red herrings.
Post 14: Hawaii has legally stated that BHO is a citizen, born in Hawaii when it was a state.
The only statement I've read from 'Hawaii':
Dr. Fukino Press Release
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For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“...Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures..."
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I'd have been happy to drop the subject if they had included the simple statement that you implied they had made: "Hawaii has legally stated that BHO is a citizen, born in Hawaii when it was a state".
They did not. That is odd.
If you have such a link to your quote:
"Hawaii has legally stated that BHO is a citizen, born in Hawaii when it was a state".
I'd be interested to see it.
Uh, that would be the document shown in the nine photos linked to in the post you are responding to.
So you have no quote.
What, multiple photographs of legal document 151 1961-010641 stating that the State of Hawaii certifies the live birth of Barack Hussein Obama II on August 4 1961 at 7:24PM in the city of Honolulu on the island of Oahu in the county of Honolulu to mother Stanley Ann Dunham, embossed by the Department Of Health, legally signed by Alvin T Onaka as State Registrar and stating “I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department Of Health”, with a notice declaring “This copy serves as prime face evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding”, isn’t friggin’ enough for you? How much more “quote” do you want from me? That’s as official & legal a quote as you’re going to get out of anyone anywhere short of having the vaulted original in-hand!
Oh, by the way: Hawaii was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959. That’s before 1961.
Yes it is. I have no legal basis for the belief. I only have vague circumstantial evidence (widely discussed) and a hope that it's true and proveable. Admittedly the 3-day window is pretty small, but it's just possible enough that I can see it happening. As some have it, she tried to fly to HI pre-birth but the airline wouldn't risk her delivering en route; ergo, she was motivated, had a ticket, and the dates line up (barely, but they do). Absent any proof either direction - and the curious bit is that there is NO proof for or against this scenario - it's about as plausible as any other scenario.
My earlier point was that the COLB is the only legally recognizable proof we have of anything, and it's firmly in BHO's favor.
He has the gall to call the grandmother of a sitting American president a liar!
That is the first and last time I will refer to "Present" Obama as president.
Thank you for clearing that up...I wondered why I haven’t seen anything.
no, no, no, million times no (using your type of insistence).
Just a simple question....IF you say that his COLB is the same as his long form BC, then why not just produce the ORIGINAL long form BC? That is, the form that was written the day he was born, type set, signed by his mother’s doctor? clearly what’s on the website is not the original, as any idiot can see that it is laser printed.
simple premise, no? Just produce THAT document. The fact that he has it so vigorously sealed, and is fighting lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit with thousands of dollars to prevent its release.....that doesn’t raise just an inkling of suspicion on your part?
what is the big deal, really?
I'm not saying that. This is what I'm saying. A "Certificate of Live Birth" is a birth certificate. That is not what Obama provided. Obama provided a "Certification of Live Birth", which is also sometimes called a short-form birth certificate in some states.
However, as others have pointed out, even if this thing is ever actually adjudicated, that "Certification of Live Birth" will probably be enough to prove his citizenship. There's some case law to support that as well. The "Certification of Live Birth" that HI uses is enough to get a US passport. The "Certification of Live Birth" that some other states use, is not enough to get your passport.
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