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God-Given Rights vs. Man-Given Rights: Why Obama's Bow Matters
Various | 04/09/09 | Reaganesque

Posted on 04/09/2009 8:42:20 AM PDT by Reaganesque

Sometimes, protocol is not merely staid, formulaic and meaningless ritual. Sometimes it is founded in deeply held, core principles. One such example of a protocol based upon a core principle is that of the President of the United States never bowing to a foreign sovereign or lowering our flag in deference to said sovereign. We are not being disrespectful because we see ourselves as better than this or that leader. We are standing upon our principles.

Unfortunately, as the controversy over President Obama’s bow before the King of Saudi Arabia has demonstrated, such core principles are lost on those who either choose not to acknowledge them, are unaware of them or actively oppose them. I have read with growing despair the comments of those who seek to dismiss our President’s bow to the King of Saudi Arabia as nothing more than “being polite” and “showing respect.” These people are living proof that the education of our children about the history and founding philosophies of this great nation is sadly lacking if it exists at all.

There is a very solid, philosophical and principled reason why the President of the United States does not bow to foreign sovereigns. The United States of America does not recognize the notion of a ruling class or any fixed class structure; therefore, showing any kind of acknowledgement of the supremacy of a foreign sovereign over his or her people is a violation of our core belief that, as Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence:

“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness….”

Our founders believed that an individual’s right comes from God and not from man. These rights, coming from God, should not be infringed upon by man and that secular government is instituted as a tool of the people to secure those rights. In a monarchy, rights are granted by the sovereign; a man (or woman). And given that human beings are subject to human frailties, such rights are often given and taken away on a recurring basis. Our Founders rejected that notion as antiquated, tyrannical and self-serving for a ruling class that deemed themselves to be inherently superior to those they governed by right of their man-granted title.

John Quincy Adams once said of the English monarchy:

“The people of Britain, through long ages of civil war, had extorted from their tyrants not acknowledgements, but grants, of right. With this concession they had been content to stop in the progress of human improvement. They received their freedom as a donation from their sovereigns; they appealed for their privileges to a sign manual and a seal; they held their title to liberty, like their title to lands, from the bounty of a man; and in their moral and political chronology, the great charter of Runny Mead was the beginning of the world . . . the fabric of their institutions . . . had been founded in conquest; it had been cemented in servitude . . . instead of solving civil society into its first elements in search of their rights, they looked back only to conquest as the origin of their liberties, and claimed their rights but as donations from their kings. This faltering assertion of freedom is not chargeable indeed upon the whole nation. There were spirits capable of tracing civil government to its foundation in the moral and physical nature of man; but conquest and servitude were so mingled up in every particle of the social existence of the nation, that they had become vitally necessary to them . . .” (Runny Mead is also spelled Runnymede; emphasis per original.)”

-John Quincy Adams in a Fourth of July address, 1821

Alexander Hamilton commented on this principle in Federalist Paper #84:

“It has been several times truly remarked that bills of rights are, in their origin, stipulations between kings and their subjects, abridgements of prerogative in favor of privilege, reservations of rights not surrendered to the prince. Such was MAGNA CHARTA, obtained by the barons, sword in hand, from King John. Such were the subsequent confirmations of that charter by succeeding princes. Such was the PETITION OF RIGHT assented to by Charles I., in the beginning of his reign. Such, also, was the Declaration of Right presented by the Lords and Commons to the Prince of Orange in 1688, and afterwards thrown into the form of an act of parliament called the Bill of Rights. It is evident, therefore, that, according to their primitive signification, they have no application to constitutions professedly founded upon the power of the people, and executed by their immediate representatives and servants. Here, in strictness, the people surrender nothing; and as they retain every thing they have no need of particular reservations. ``WE, THE PEOPLE of the United States, to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ORDAIN and ESTABLISH this Constitution for the United States of America.’’ Here is a better recognition of popular rights, than volumes of those aphorisms which make the principal figure in several of our State bills of rights, and which would sound much better in a treatise of ethics than in a constitution of government.”

And, as Hamilton quoted from the Constitution of the United States:

``WE, THE PEOPLE of the United States, to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ORDAIN and ESTABLISH this Constitution for the United States of America.’’

WE, THE PEOPLE did this; not the government. We did this to “secure the blessing of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.” WE, THE PEOPLE did not get this from a man or a woman. WE, THE PEOPLE have these rights as a result of Natural Law or God’s Law. This is the very core of the American Philosophy of government.

Unfortunately, there are those in the United States who have either lost sight of this principle or disagree with it entirely. Indeed, there are those, particularly on the Left, that see themselves as a modern day aristocracy. They feel entitled to leadership as did the aristocracies of medieval times. They are entitled, in their minds, because of family position, inherited wealth and an over inflated sense of self. They have come to view the people as a tool of government and not the other way around. This is 180 degrees away from the original philosophy of our Founders; the philosophy that made this the great and free nation that it is.

Clearly, Mr. Obama believes, and his supporters enthusiastically enable him in his belief, that some people are just better than others and deserve to be in charge. Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and most of the Democrat Party leadership clearly, from their own words and actions over the past 3 months, clearly believe this as well. Only someone who believes that the people exist for the sake of government could demand control over the wages of the heads of private corporations and demand that private contracts be voided by the government for political, populist reasons. Only someone who believes in the supremacy of government over the individual could insist that opposition to higher taxation is “Un-American” and the usurpation of individual rights such as the right to bear arms is the height of patriotism. And only someone who believes that the government is the source of all rights could suggest that all of this country’s youth should be required by law to serve the government as part of their education and growth as human beings.

Mr. Obama and his supporters do not believe in this country as the Founders did. They believe that government as a tool of man is abhorrent, greedy and evil. They believe that rights come from that government and do not exist outside of it. All Statists, as Mark Levin calls them, do. They believe that they are the rightful leaders of this country by virtue of their self-proclaimed intellect, compassion, tolerance and enlightenment and that we, the uninformed, mean-spirited, downright stupid masses should recognize their superiority and serve them. This is what WE, THE PEOPLE and our Founding Fathers rejected and overthrew and is what WE, THE PEOPLE must now stand against.

Mr. Obama’s bow is a small, albeit unintended, signal of his belief in the supremacy of government over the people. Added together with his words and actions over the past weeks and months, it becomes fairly clear that this is, in fact, what he believes. This gesture is simply further evidence that he has no problem acknowledging a foreign sovereign because he believes in, agrees with and admires that philosophy of man granted rights government and that is why the bow is such a big deal. And, the fact that the White House has resorted to lying so obviously about the bow in the face of video documentation to the contrary, indicates that they know full well this is indeed the meaning of such a violation of a “meaningless” and “disrespectful” protocol.


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To: Question_Assumptions
...I don’t think that evidence is as compelling as the other claims.

That's just the point. Obama's holding the evidence, and won't release it.

41 posted on 04/09/2009 1:34:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Reaganesque
I'd only worry about the bow if he followed it up by kissing the guy's ring on his left hand ~ that's the one he uses to wipe up after defecating.

Did anyone catch that?

42 posted on 04/09/2009 1:37:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Grampa Dave
Obama bows low and kisses the ring of his King, his benefactors,
but did not pledge his allegience.



"Barack Obama with his good friend and benefactor Salman Ibrahim, in the offices of the infamous Sunrise Equities, Chicago.
Ibrahim is wanted by the FBI in connection with the 2008 Sunrise Equities scam in Chicago,
in which investors were ripped off for a total of approximately $80 million."

43 posted on 04/09/2009 1:38:32 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Cicero
Wish it were that simple but it's not.

Alas, American law doesn't care what citizenship the parents claimed, nor what the laws of Indonesia say about their children.

There's meat on the bones but you keep nibbling on the cartilege.

44 posted on 04/09/2009 1:40:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Windflier

Correct. I’m referring to the evidence that people have. And you’ll note that I think any American citizen should have the right to ask a court to validate that a candidate meets the requirements to hold their office. So whether he’s hiding anything or not, I think Obama (and McCain and anyone else) should have to show their documentation.


45 posted on 04/09/2009 1:40:17 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Reaganesque


"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."
Winston Churchill



"Bust of Churchill Returned by Obama
"After the September 11th attacks our British allies loaned President George Bush
a bust of one of the greatest Britons the world has ever known, Sir Winston Churchill.
It was a gesture to show their support for the United States in one of its darkest hours.
The bust sat prominently in the Oval Office for the balance of President Bush’s tenure there,
and once President Obama took office, the British offered him the opportunity to keep it for the length of his term.
His response was cold and most likely sent tremors through the British diplomatic community."
....
"Diplomatically this is a faux pax that only an unseasoned politician could make.
The British have stood by our side as strong allies for decades and we need to maintain that relationship,
especially in a world that is becoming increasingly dangerous (See Is Nuclear Weakness on the Horizon)
If he did not want to look at it in the oval office he could have displayed it elsewhere in the White House
and not slapped the British in the face in such a blatant disregard of political etiquette."


" I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."
Winston Churchill

46 posted on 04/09/2009 1:44:54 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: silverleaf

I think it was intentional and signified Obama laying America at the feet of the King who rules over Mecca.


47 posted on 04/09/2009 1:45:54 PM PDT by donna (President Obama bows to King Abdullah in humble obeisance, acknowledging his inferior status.)
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To: Reaganesque
These people are living proof that the education of our children about the history and founding philosophies of this great nation is sadly lacking if it exists at all.

Outstandingly bad in this category, public education.

"If you think you can't afford it, wait 'til it's free." Does that ring a bell?

And do you think you can't afford it now? What if you had been an American in 1776? Would you have sympathized secretly and said to the patriots, "I would love to be a part of your movement but I just can't afford it. I have to support my family, and the King pays my salary which feeds my family." Would you have said, "I'm so sorry, but if I joined you I'd be fired and unable to pay my debts."

Your children are your future, they are America's future. You can't afford to blight their minds and spirits. Get them out of there, even if you have to sprain your spending arm.

48 posted on 04/09/2009 1:46:59 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( AR2, Overdue! = American Revolution II...Overdue.)
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To: Reaganesque

Bookmarking!


49 posted on 04/09/2009 1:49:22 PM PDT by Carlucci (Obama: I did not have genuflectual relations with that monarch, King Abdullah.)
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To: Question_Assumptions
I’m referring to the evidence that people have.

What evidence that does exist about Obama's provenance creates grave concern and doubt about his qualification to legally hold the Presidency.

Only those who willfully refuse to know the truth about this are resistant to compelling Obama to release his basic records.

This situation is unprecedented for our country. The fact that everyone in America isn't clamoring to get to the truth of it, is astonishing and frightening on a lot of levels.

50 posted on 04/09/2009 1:51:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Reaganesque

Good vent, so vanity is forgiven. :)


51 posted on 04/09/2009 1:51:34 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Cicero
You raise a number of issues. I’ll just speak to one. He is listed in written school records as Barry Soetoro, a Muslim and an Indonesian citizen. At that time, Indonesians were not allowed to hold dual citizenship. And no one but Indonesian citizens were allowed to attend those schools.

If neither Obama nor his parents re-applied for American citizenship after that, then he is not an American citizen at all, let alone natural born. He is an Indonesian citizen. He could have applied to be reinstated, but I don’t believe that he did.

There are, of course, many other problems surrounding this issue. We don’t know for sure without records and written evidence, but the probabilities are pretty high that he is not an American AT ALL.

Your post bears repeating in it's entirety.

52 posted on 04/09/2009 1:53:57 PM PDT by Gritty (With Obama, we've crossed the line from civil politics to civil war disguised as politics-Alan Keyes)
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To: Cicero

Thank you for posting this information. It has been around since April 2008, but few are aware or its existence.

In an aside, Stanley Anne Dunham Obama Soetoro, the President’s mother, repudiated her U.S. citizenship and became an Indonesian citizen when she married Lolo Soetoro in the early 1960’s.


53 posted on 04/09/2009 2:04:29 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Gritty
Again, US law does not respect what the parents may have claimed when it comes to citizenship in Indonesia.

The child is judged on his or her own merits, according to American law, and not until he or she is 18.

Everyone involved in the discussion knows this. What we want to see is the so-called "long form" of his birth certificate.

54 posted on 04/09/2009 2:18:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SatinDoll
Not really. The courts have ruled repeatedly that you have to do that repudiating before an appropriate American body ~ a court, an immigration judge, etc.

It's been a very long time since an American woman lost her citizenship simply by marrying a foreigner.

55 posted on 04/09/2009 2:19:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Yes, really, Mooie!

She had an Indonesian passport for decades. Enough said.

Now, go brown-nose on Obama supporter sites. It is where you rightfully belong.


56 posted on 04/09/2009 2:21:48 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Diogenesis
No doubt the individual who decided to send the bust back to UK was simply another ignorant Chicago politician.

I'm surprised someone in Obama's entourage didn't try to steal it. Must have had a built-in alarm system or something.

57 posted on 04/09/2009 2:22:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SatinDoll
You are such a clod ~ right up there with the Obamistas who have their guy running around bowing to foreign potentates, etc.

Good grief~American law is American law. We run our citizenship operations, not the pukes in Indonesia.

We bow to no one ~ time both you and Obama figured that part out.

58 posted on 04/09/2009 2:23:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: snarks_when_bored

There’s a big difference between God (with a capital G) and a god. Allah is a god, not God.


59 posted on 04/09/2009 2:23:40 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Reaganesque
To the bow and everything else the Obama administration is doing since 11/4/08, I say this:

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness…

It's comin'....
60 posted on 04/09/2009 2:25:35 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Obama's Administration = adding insult to injury to America)
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