'Sanctions' sought in President's Eligibility case

WorldNet Daily ^ | Feb. 13, 2009 | Bob Unruh

[SvenMagnussen]

A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.

The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state's electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama's records.

[mountainbunny]

The specific question is whether he was actually subject to the complete jurisdiction of the U.S., not just residing under the jurisdiction.

What does the distinction you seek to create have to do with anything, though?

Are you saying that those actions (the right to vote, the responsibility to serve if drafted, and so on) are what defines the ability to convey citizenship? Because if you are, that is incorrect.

Again: women are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US under the auspices of the draft, yet have every other right that every person who is subject to the draft does.

[Cyropaedia]

You are conflating to different groups, civilians, and the military.

Women have been excluded from the draft, and even registering for the Selective Service, because the military has excluded women from various combat functions. But the Military has its own separate jurisdiction and legal codes under the UCMJ. They even have their own separate system of military courts.

Foreigners, male or female, that are here on student visas, are not required to register for the Selective Service nor can they be drafted and sent to Iraq. Again, there are several different kinds of jurisdictions for different classes of people.

[Michael Michael]

You would need to be a witness to know where and when Ann was on or about Aug 4, 1964.

What if I told you there are people who can attest to where Ann during that time — would you believe them?

Again, wake me up when you can show that Obama was born anyplace other than Hawaii.

[SisterK]

Excellent post! I love clear and precise thinking.

[Star Traveler]

You said — “Don’t you know that a guy with nearly thirty million in surplus campaign funds can’t afford that $12.50 processing fee...?”

Well..., what that *does mean* — is that he can keep the courts tied up for years and years...

[El Gato]

Foreigners, male or female, that are here on student visas, are not required to register for the Selective Service nor can they be drafted and sent to Iraq.

I'm not conflating anything. If the only difference between two people, ag and sex being the same for instance, is that one is a citizen (or permanent resident) and the other is a visior on a student visa, then the fact that they are differently treated, in something like the draft which is the government exercising it's jurisdiction over it's citizens, then it's clear that the visitor is not subject to the full jurisdiction. IIRC, We went to war with the British, in part because they were trying to "Draft" (Impress was the word used in those days) our merchant sailors into their Navy. (1812)

[El Gato]

So will you argue that a twelve year old is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

No, but when the difference in exercise of the Jurisdiction of the United States is due to nationality, then the foreign national is not subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US.

Other countries get testy if you try to draft their citizens. So did we in 1812. They get testy because you have no right or legitmate power to exercise that sort of jurisdiction over their nationals.

[Michael Michael]

No, but when the difference in exercise of the Jurisdiction of the United States is due to nationality, then the foreign national is not subject to the complete jurisdiction of the US.

Again, you're trying to equate exclusion with immunity.

Here, let's boil this down to its essence.

You're arguing that they're not under the complete jurisdiction of the United States while they are here. Ok. If that's the case, then who does the remainder of jurisdiction belong to?

Or to put it another way, who else has jurisdiction within the United States?

[Cyropaedia]

I agree with you. It's fairly obvious that several classes of foreign nationals obviously are not subject to the *full* jurisdiction of the U.S. by virtue of several things, such as the draft. That should be obvious.

However, I do believe that if one parent is an American citizen, and the other is a permanent legal resident, then you are a "natural born" citizen if you are born on U.S. soil. I fall into that particular category.

[Cyropaedia]

You do have a point.

[mojitojoe]

...you LIVE COLB on threads that you think are BS.

Uh, would you care to translate that for me? What does “you LIVE COLB on threads” mean?
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It means you literally LIVE on COLB threads. Ever heard of a typo Mr. zer0 lover?

[STARWISE]

QUO WARRANTO: A New Hope - Military can now retreat in peace.

Posted in Uncategorized on March 3, 2009 by naturalborncitizen

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Today I had a five hour meeting with New Jersey attorney, Mario Apuzzo. The meeting was entirely focused on the issue of Quo Warranto.

Bottom line: we’ve identified a subset of plaintiffs who have a much more viable path to standing to institute an action in Quo Warranto than active military. This subset of plaintiffs would not be exposed to possible court martial since they are not military plaintiffs.

And there is no prevailing need to place this burden on the backs of our military. Our military can retreat in peace on this issue. There is a new hope with a greater chance of success.

This new hope has several layers of possibility. Attorney Apuzzo and I will be joining forces to see this matter receives the attention of proper Government officials.

I contacted Mario after both reading his pleadings in the Kerchner v. Obama case, and listening to his interviews. I was impressed by the level of detail his pleadings brought forth.

The intelligence and passion for the Constitution shown by Mr. Apuzzo and his plaintiff, Mr. Kerchner, were evident in the interviews they have given. They both recognize that the main issue is centered on Obama being a British Subject and that the birth certificate issue, while important, is ancillary to Obama’s admission that the British Nationality Act of 1948 governed his birth status regardless of whether he was born in Hawaii.

They plead their case as to both issues and they did so in an original and convincing matter.

I have also heard them discuss John McCain shamefully allowing the myth to circulate that he was born on a military installation while his birth certificate and COLB both state he was born in Colon Hospital, Panama and not on a military base (which wouldn’t have qualified him anyway according to the State Department Foreign Affairs Manual and various case law).

Having respect for Mr. Apuzzo’s work, and knowing that he had brought one count in a complaint for Quo Warranto on behalf of Mr. Kerchner et al., I felt the need to share and discuss my research with Mario.

I respect Mr. Apuzzo’s efforts and felt we could possibly team up to both educate the public as well as educate other counsel while saving our military the trouble of being unnecessarily subjected to court martial.

I am very happy to report to you that Mr. Apuzzo and I have come to an agreement and we will be attempting to put the Quo Warranto issue squarely before the two people in our national government who have the statutory authority to request Obama substantiate his eligibility and to have a federal court determine whether Obama’s birth, subject to the British Nationality Act of 1948 disqualifies him to be POTUS.

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Rest at site

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I’m glad to see there may be a way to relieve the burden from our wonderful military. I’ve been uncomfortable with Dr. Taitz’ approach and the jeopardy for them.

[Candor7]

Bottom line: we’ve identified a subset of plaintiffs who have a much more viable path to standing to institute an action in Quo Warranto than active military. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Too Late, the military movement agianst Obama has already begun. And it is spreading like wildfire. Dozens are joining Orly's suit from all 4 branches of the service and many others are iitiating their own suits.

Military Officers today belong to Masonic Lodges just like they did in 1776. Word has been passed.

Obama cannot contain it.

Obama will not stand a chance.

[STARWISE]

Oh.... I pray for them. God bless and protect them.

[unspun]

People who are worried about the members of the military refusing to serve Barack Obama still fail to understand the purposes of Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, and the movement to destroy the free Unites States of America.

The military, law enforcement and free militias may well have to act and if some act now, to constitutionally remove him rather than doing it in force (and extradite Soros to Malaysia) that is a kinder, gentler option for the above parties. In any case, we will need to very overtly and expressly re-create the United States of America - and the end of the UN and federal reserve -- and a return to benign (American) nationalism and 1:1 internationalism, with international alliances only to provide temporary defense missions against threats to the freedom and sovereignties of natural and national mankind.

The current Tower of Babel must be dismantled, as much as possible, as the old one was.

The Obama/Pelosi/Soros insurrectionists must be seen as simply the enemy of America -- as assuredly as if their names were Lenin, Trotsky, Hitler, or Mao. They must be very consciously and thoroughly removed by an educated and repentant America.

Pray, buy guns and ammunition, find the local free militia -- and talk to your local Sheriff. Order this book and give it to him: The County Sheriff America's Last Hope (right sidebar). Sheriffs are the sovereign law enforcement officials within the normal jurisdiction of counties, by even recent Supreme Court rulings. They are in American historic custom, the heads, the "regulators" or "well regulated militias."

Get in the habit of living within your means, stockpiling food stores, and gardening.

I am serious and very sober.

[STARWISE]

I have no illusions about the plans of the
evil ones, nor what could occur in the future,
if necessary.

But I don’t think Taitz has one ounce of discretion,
releasing names, personal details, etc. as she
has. It’s stunning to read what she’s put out
there. Credible, savvy lawyers just don’t do
things like that, exposing their hand and plans
so blithely.

And in a matter of this seriousness ?

I think it’s outrageously unprofessional and unethical,
possibly creating the potential for harm to folks,
and I’m especially concerned about our dear military.

[smokingfrog]

Hey 0bama. Where's the transparency?

Bring it on.

[KTM rider]

once the economic demolition phase is complete, the american people will be on their knees begging for a crust of bread, then they can commence the government re-structuring phase [/tin foil hat]

[unspun]

I have wondered more than once whether Orly Taitz is a plant.

[unspun]

once the economic demolition phase is complete, the american people will be on their knees begging for a crust of bread, then they can commence the government re-structuring phase

That is exactly their plan, though they are not quite that sequential:

Obama's Intentional Destruction of America

Please get on your horse and tell everyone.