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Bank stocks plunge on fresh insolvency fears
AP / Yahoo News ^ | Thursday January 15, 2009 | Stevenson Jacobs, AP Business Writer

Posted on 01/15/2009 3:02:01 PM PST by gpk9

NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of major U.S. banks plunged Thursday as the government mulled giving Bank of America Corp. a fresh multibillion-dollar aid package, raising fears on Wall Street that the battered financial sector may need an even bigger bailout.

Bank of America shares fell as much as 28 percent -- dropping to their lowest level in 18 years -- on news that the bank may seek another capital injection to manage losses from its takeover of Merrill Lynch. Citigroup Inc. shares fell to a near 16-year low as investors braced for horrible fourth-quarter earnings due Friday. And JPMorgan Chase & Co. added to the pessimism with a grim earnings outlook. Shares of all three banks came off their lows later in the day as part of a broad market turnaround.

Still, the carnage fanned investor fears that mounting bank losses and a darkening economic outlook are thwarting government efforts to resuscitate the banking sector. It raised the distinct possibility that the largest financial rescue package in history may swell even further.

"The perception on Wall Street is that things are getting worse and that the banks are bearing the brunt," said Jack A. Ablin, chief investment officer at Harris Private Bank in Chicago.

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(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


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To: Neidermeyer

“drastically curtail/rescind stupid gov’t regulations”

DEMOCRATS WILL DO THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.

Stupid idiot Democrats are going to add to taxes for banks by closing a tax break that was specifically designed to help banks take over unhealthy banks.

Idiots! Democrats are making it harder to pay for bank losses. meaning they are undermining the banking system.

This is like cutting a man’s wrist as part of an operation on him.


101 posted on 01/16/2009 3:47:10 PM PST by WOSG (Oppose Big Govt spending - no bailouts, no boondoggles, no earmarks)
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To: WOSG

I think that it is more like the old practice of putting leeches on a sick person to bleed him.


102 posted on 01/16/2009 3:49:33 PM PST by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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To: All
Here is another worthwhile video clip on YouTube. This is Kudlow & Co (CNBC) discussing dishonesty vs honesty in financial markets. There is a small amount of up front discussion about Steve Jobs, but it moves quickly into discussion of Bank of America, then on into honesty in financial markets in general. One of the guests is Peter Schiff. The video is in two parts, hence two links:

1/15/2009 Part 1/2 Peter Schiff On Kudlow & Co: Restoring Trust & Stocks

1/15/2009 Part 2/2 Peter Schiff On Kudlow & Co: Restoring Trust & Stocks
103 posted on 01/16/2009 7:57:58 PM PST by gpk9
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To: nbhunt

They actively geared their marketing efforts to illegals...placing ads in Spanish tv, radio, signs, etc.


104 posted on 01/16/2009 8:11:14 PM PST by Boiling Pots (The USA has become one huge pyramid scheme. Thanks George, John, Nancy and Harry.)
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To: All

Out of the 2,400+ people who have viewed this thread, is there anyone besides me who feels:

a) These financial people are not stupid. They are greedy. Greed would explain all the seemingly insane actions we’ve been seeing, including these bailouts and all the rest.

b) Paulson and Bernanke are helping wallstreet financial institutions more or less loot the U.S. Treasury, and by extension, rob taxpayers blind.

c) All this talk about buying up toxic assets and such is just a cover story. They’re basically looting the U.S. Treasury and the taxpayers.


105 posted on 01/16/2009 8:22:50 PM PST by gpk9
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To: gpk9
It is very clear now, to me at least, that the Dow is following bailouts. It drops when banks and such start crying for more bailouts, and rises when they get their bailouts.

Yep.

It's being doing that since this crisis broke. It crumbled when TARP I was rejected by the Senate and it shot up when TARP II was finally passed.

That effectively ended any lingering interest I had in the Dow. Nothing I've seen since has changed my mind.

106 posted on 01/16/2009 8:27:39 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future"- Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: nbhunt

after the first bail out back in october, the local BOA people had a big party at PfChangs.....drinking and eating like drunken sailors.....


107 posted on 01/17/2009 3:23:21 AM PST by cherry
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To: Neidermeyer
The “velocity” of currency has slowed below 1.0 for M1 ,, this means that deficit spending or creation of debt of any kind including printing dollar notes has the opposite effect from what we were all taught...

And why Mises observed that there is no good way out of a busted credit expansion bubble. You can't spend your way out, there isn't enough free cashflow. You can't borrow your way out (the Obama plan), that only fuels the fire. All you can do is let it work itself through and mitigate the worst of the damage along the way.

Unfortunately politicians, having sucked in the people's expectations, are organically unable to leave bad enough alone.

108 posted on 01/17/2009 6:53:51 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: gpk9
My point is to illustrate the difference between responsiblity and wisdom. My question asks about the wisdom of the scenario set forth in the question.

Your question has nothing to do with wisdom. It has to do with choosing either to be "good" or "smart."

109 posted on 01/17/2009 6:58:06 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: gondramB
"This one particularly stinks - bailing them out not because of economic conditions but because they paid too much for a brokerage."

I have a feeling Merrill isn't the problem. The portfilio isn't that big. It's way more likely BoA is having (more) problems with THEIR investment portfolio, as in more writedowns in THEIR portfolio.
110 posted on 01/17/2009 7:19:54 AM PST by gpk9
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To: cherry

“after the first bail out back in october, the local BOA people had a big party at PfChangs.....drinking and eating like drunken sailors”

This does not surprise me at all. There will be a lot of big wigs partying with tax payer bail outs. I don’t know what they will do when the tax payers are without jobs to pay no taxes.


111 posted on 01/17/2009 7:26:41 AM PST by nbhunt
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To: Boiling Pots
Oh I know they did. I live in an area that is being taken over my illegals and believe me....they drive better cars than I do. And the illegals got all kinds of financial help buying these homes. I have been hit twice by uninsured no drivers lic. illegals. One in Grapevine Texas and would you believe that cop let that B**** drive off in that car with no insurance,no drivers lic and no speakie English. Thank God now if you cannot prove you have insurance they tow your car. The illegals are pigs, rude, do not want to speak English, always waiting on that free handout. I have surprise a few of them by knowing a little Spanish, what a shocker to them. I should write a book on living with illegals, a lot of first hand knowledge.
112 posted on 01/17/2009 7:43:05 AM PST by nbhunt
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To: Boiling Pots

they sure do...I see it all the time. I speak a little Spanish and man.....it is sad. And Texas is being hard hit, like Ca. with all the illegals. But I had the pleasure of not doing business with one of these illegals. I had my old car for sale. An illegal stopped and wanted to buy it, I ask to see his driver lic and he did not have any. And I said SORRY, CAN’T SELL YOU THIS CAR WITH NO DRIVER. LIC., his son had to translate that for him. The illegal said jodienda hembra means F****** B*****. I laughed and walked away. There is a site that will translate for you. It is http://translation2.paralink.com/ so if you catch any words, you can find out what they mean. It is a neat site.


113 posted on 01/17/2009 8:00:05 AM PST by nbhunt
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To: gpk9

“Wagner...from Washington. AP Economics Writer Jeannine Aversa in Washington and business writers Madlen Read in New York and Ieva M. Augstums in Charlotte, N.C.” wrote a typical AP article! Absolutely clueless, all, in rambling 2nd grade AP style! They wrote the entire article without so much as a parenthetical mention of Larry Summers ‘enlightened’ letter to Treasury earlier this week! Umm, that’s the cause of the current Bear Raid on Banks, not any thing that those 4 jounalistically-challenged yahoos found in their homework assignment!!! That Summers goes to Washington again defies belief as well! Time will tell whether Banks will survive the Rubin-Summers one-two punch! Does paypal take barter exchange?


114 posted on 01/17/2009 2:23:49 PM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: gpk9
Have all those trillions of "liquidity" pumped into the financial sector helped restore consumer confidence, another critical component of an economic recovery? Yep
115 posted on 01/17/2009 2:28:34 PM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: wolfcreek
How can a institution like CITIBACK lose $160 billion in 2 years and be considered a viable business?

Depends on WHO you LOSE it to! BAC lost to illegals, and others who didn't show any proof of income....a worthy socialist goal...Obama will be proud and show this paragon of socialist virtues all the generosity of the palace treasury!

116 posted on 01/17/2009 2:53:18 PM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Frantzie
Ken Lewis - CEO wanted to make lots of loans to illegal aliens. All those mortgages now are going belly up, Pedro is driving his new pickup loaded with his flat screen TV and other loot back to Mexico. Bank of America will never collect on his truck loan and credit cards charged up to the max as he drives back to Mexico or other parts.

Yep, here we thought we were paying Pedro $6/hour, and all along Pedro knew he was making at least $100/hour. There goes the 'doing the jobs most Americans won't do' story!

117 posted on 01/17/2009 2:59:22 PM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: gpk9
Peter Schiff, Max Keiser, Jim Rogers, Marc Faber

Schiff also said this week that he's closed all his shorts and is 'LONG' again, buying stocks (perhaps not bank stocks). Rogers also said he'd closed all his (and presumably Soros') shorts before Thanksgiving.

118 posted on 01/17/2009 3:03:00 PM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: gpk9

(Raises his hand).

I think exactly as you do. They are greedy and are robbing us blind. It’s no different than if a mugger came up to me with a gun. As a matter of fact, that would cost me less.


119 posted on 01/17/2009 3:03:46 PM PST by thesharkboy (<-- Looking for the silver lining in every cloud, since 1998)
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To: gpk9
this is "it" for the American financial system.

So I take it that you would agree completely with those who shorted financials the minute that Larry Summers wrote his letter to Paulson last week!

120 posted on 01/17/2009 3:06:49 PM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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