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Supreme Court dismisses 2nd Obama citizenship challenge

Posted on 12/15/2008 3:17:55 PM PST by jetxnet

It seems Obama will become President no matter what .. the people have no say anymore.

Now, we have a guy who is likely an illegal alien with access to the highest levels of the government, security clearances etc.

It's ironic how Russia is sending warships to Cuba today. They threatened to send Nuclear bombers to Cuba during Obama's "New World Order" speech in Germany.

All we wanted was the dam birth certificate .. hell, we have to provide that for things much less important.

So, can I put up a copy of vehicle Titles and birth certificates online now? So if I need it, I can just give them my "fight the smears" URL and call it good?

If it isn't required for POTUS, then why should it be for anything we do as citizens?


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1 posted on 12/15/2008 3:17:56 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: jetxnet

Which case was this one?


3 posted on 12/15/2008 3:22:31 PM PST by Blogger
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To: jetxnet

I wonder if we’ll ever be rid of him?


4 posted on 12/15/2008 3:24:13 PM PST by TheThinker (Shame and guilt mongering is the Left's favorite tool of control.)
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To: boomop1
Well, soon the "conservative" FReepers will be along to gloat and say "I told you so"

FEH

5 posted on 12/15/2008 3:25:24 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Sho me da BC...mo)
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To: TheThinker

Obama could ruin this country when he spends trillions of dollars we do not have. Maybe that is his mission, to bankrupt the country for evermore.


6 posted on 12/15/2008 3:26:05 PM PST by FreedBird (EM)
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To: jetxnet

> It seems Obama will become President no matter what

Subject to Electoral College vote.

> the people have no say anymore.

The people had their say on November 4th.


7 posted on 12/15/2008 3:26:13 PM PST by bluejay
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To: Blogger

The case below:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83693

No doubt, makes you wonder if we’ll ever get rid of him or there will even be another election, and if so, wouldn’t matter as it is all rigged or won by fraud.


8 posted on 12/15/2008 3:26:51 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: bluejay

Yeah, they had their say alright .. funny how the study of those same people knew nothing about the real issues with Obama, because the MSM wouldn’t report it, but instead, promote a different view of Obama.

Now, many are finding out (or have) about this and other issues and sorry they voted for him because of mis and non information.

Unreal.


9 posted on 12/15/2008 3:28:46 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: jetxnet

Every illegal alien in America now has an automatic defense to any questions regarding their legal status, “si senor? si, I have birth certeeficate, it locked up in vault where i was born senor, uhhhh where was I born senor? oh i was born way down south in zee heart of Deeexie, in Chihuahua Alabama!”

“You ees not questioning my citizenship ees you senor?”


10 posted on 12/15/2008 3:29:06 PM PST by mkjessup (43 prior Presidents did NOT spend six-figure sums to hide the details of their birth certificate!)
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To: jetxnet
Don't you think you 'otter" give up on this nonsense ?
11 posted on 12/15/2008 3:30:19 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: mkjessup

Lol, that is true! How convenient .. how convenient now.


12 posted on 12/15/2008 3:30:33 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: mkjessup

It seems to me there are forces at work here (as there has been through the whole campaign) that are bigger and more powerful than we could ever understand. No, I don’t wear a tinfoil hat but this whole Obama phenomenon has been troubling from the beginning.


13 posted on 12/15/2008 3:33:11 PM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: jetxnet

Message to all Freepers who can get to D.C.: Do your homework and picket in front of the Supreme Court on a daily basis - set your dates and times and check on the permit process and get the permits while you still can.


14 posted on 12/15/2008 3:34:39 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: jetxnet

So if the mooselimbs take out d.c. should I be upset?


15 posted on 12/15/2008 3:39:59 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Russ

I totally agree (and doesn’t my shiny hat look pretty reflecting the Christmas lights?)

I guess I am going off the deep end but lately I’m even wondering if Bush isn’t in on this mess. He is a globalist, he pretty much launched the bank crisis then jumped right in with the auto bailout. Just because he’s Republican don’t mean he’s on our side.

Gotta run, time for my meds.


16 posted on 12/15/2008 3:41:08 PM PST by Kenny
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Thank you USSC for your wisdom in dismissing the 2nd Obama citizenship challenge!!!


17 posted on 12/15/2008 3:42:30 PM PST by yield 2 the right
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To: jetxnet
It seems Obama will become President no matter what .. the people have no say anymore.

Did you miss out on the election? It was in all the papers...

18 posted on 12/15/2008 3:43:41 PM PST by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Probably not ..

I’m going to sell some vehicles on line but have the titles posted on the Net. The owner’s won’t get the original title for the vehicle. The online title will have to do, hope they’re satisfied with that.!


20 posted on 12/15/2008 3:44:26 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: jetxnet
Don't worry The GLobe is reaching out to his supporters


21 posted on 12/15/2008 3:44:56 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: jetxnet
As much as I object to Obama on political grounds I have to admit that I am much more concerned about establishing the precedent of the SCOTUS being able to set aside an election than I am about a natural born citizen technicality.
22 posted on 12/15/2008 3:47:33 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: TheThinker

You asked — “I wonder if we’ll ever be rid of him?”

Nope, all we can do now is to make sure that this kind of mess doesn’t happen again. We will have to pass some laws in various states in order to get the Secretaries of State to vet the candidates to make sure they have met the Constitutional requirement.

This is what we’ll need to be working on with our own state legislators...


23 posted on 12/15/2008 3:49:52 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: jetxnet

You said — “Now, many are finding out (or have) about this and other issues and sorry they voted for him because of mis and non information.”

Well.., with just about anything there is always “buyers remorse...”

People were even sorry they voted for Bush, too...


24 posted on 12/15/2008 3:51:45 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Natural Law

No doubt, but SCOTUS, Obama and both parties must be up to something. Political “power brokers” collunding on both sides seem to be influencing all the major decisions.

Now it seems clear as to why the illegals weren’t kicked out after all.

I’m not a fan of merging with Canada and Mexico, call me a proud old-school American, but that just doesn’t seem right.


25 posted on 12/15/2008 3:53:04 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: jetxnet

> Now, many are finding out (or have) about this and other issues and sorry they voted for him because of mis and non information.

Unfortunate, but true. I do have two consolations:

1. The next four years are looking to be fairly rough, both for the economy and internationally.
2. John McCain is not President.


26 posted on 12/15/2008 3:54:54 PM PST by bluejay
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To: Star Traveler

Obama has his own secretary of state plants in key states that previously worked for ACORN.

It won’t do any good to talk with legislators and pass laws in getting these secretaries of state to vet the candidates.

They are in the same tank, otherwise they would’ve done in the first place.


27 posted on 12/15/2008 3:55:53 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: Natural Law

“As much as I object to Obama on political grounds I have to admit that I am much more concerned about establishing the precedent of the SCOTUS being able to set aside an election than I am about a natural born citizen technicality.”

Well isn’t that special, a candidate proving eligibility for office is a “technicality”, a voter proving their eligibility to vote also appears to be a “technicality”. The election process is being hijacked, what do you see as a remedy.


28 posted on 12/15/2008 3:57:38 PM PST by Peter Horry (We shouldn't accept things just because somebody says so .... Dixie Lee Ray)
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To: bluejay

True, and funny how Obama and Congress are coming up with these billions into the trillions for bailouts by the time it’s all said and done.

Hmmm ... corruption .. corruption.


29 posted on 12/15/2008 3:58:34 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: jetxnet

> True, and funny how Obama and Congress are coming up with these billions into the trillions for bailouts by the time it’s all said and done.

If it’s not your money, it’s very easy to spend it.


30 posted on 12/15/2008 4:00:44 PM PST by bluejay
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To: bluejay

Exactly, like say .. foreign Oil money and such.

It’s interesting how Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac both have significant investments into the “Islamic Banking Coooperative” and their “microfinancing” program to give loans to people with low income and/or poor credit.

It’s also intersting how the Bank of Indonesia, where Obama’s mama was a research coordinator and a project lead for the microfinancing program at this bank.

The Bank of Indonesia is the largest microfinance lenders in Malaysia.

The Ford Foundation, again, which Obama’s mama worked for (and still may according to searches) sponsored the Bank of Indonsia’s microfinance program with millions of US taxpayer$.

Hmmm . corruption .. corruption.


31 posted on 12/15/2008 4:07:21 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: jetxnet
Mr. Soetoro: Since the hallmark of your campaign has been to be 'open and transparent', why is there an opaque shroud - an actual vault - around your original 1961 birth documents?

This must be asked on the heels of Blago's arrest and national exposure of the open cesspool known as Illinois politics. (We knew it all along, the nation is just catching up.)

32 posted on 12/15/2008 4:07:33 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Peter Horry
"The election process is being hijacked, what do you see as a remedy."

There is a significant difference between a Legal find and and what is obvious. The principle of "Executive Disregard" has long standing. There have been actions or inactions by nearly every president in American history that could be viewed my some or many as being unconstitutional. I'm not sure what powers the constitution grants to the like of you and me except to bitch and whine about it until we motivate enough of our fellow citizens to act.

33 posted on 12/15/2008 4:11:52 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: jetxnet

“It seems Obama will become President no matter what .. the people have no say anymore.”

Elections Have Consequences.............Our guy got beat.

Some folks here need to start dealing with that.


34 posted on 12/15/2008 4:17:05 PM PST by Nokia
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To: Nokia

Yeah, sure. At least with past elections, the Candidates showed their birth certifcates. The Candidates this election as well, albeit one Candidate, can you guess who??

If you guessed the Virgin in the Chicago Whorehouse then you get the grand prize.

A radical Marxist backed by George Soros.


35 posted on 12/15/2008 4:20:12 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: jetxnet

It wasn’t that the information was not there. It was.

The problem was and still is is that 99% of the people do not give a damn. This began during the clinton regime. It was perfectly for a President to lie, commit perjury, and sell the Nation’s defensive techonology to the higest bidder so long as a female intern was giving him a blowjob. They don’t know nor do they want to know what the qualifications that the Constitution states are necessary to be a candidate.

Not only does the electorate not know the Constitution, the judiciary does not know it and again, neither are interested in learning it.

According to the judiciary, the Constitution reads that everyone is entitled to a free abortion. The politician says that the Constitution gives everyone free health care[ whatever that entails]

As far as the voting public goes, so far as no one interfers with American Idol and America’s Got Talent, they don’t care if the man comes and put shackles and handcuffs on them and marches them to the slave camp tomorrow.

These are what got us to where we are today.


36 posted on 12/15/2008 4:20:45 PM PST by sport
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To: sport

Good ponts, and sad but true.


37 posted on 12/15/2008 4:22:33 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: Star Traveler

I don’t see the eligibility requirement ever meaning anything anymore as the precedent is set. Perhaps the rest of the Constitution will soon nosedive like our once proud dollar.
Bad mood rant - don’t take personal.


38 posted on 12/15/2008 4:26:19 PM PST by mcshot (Zero man! Fill out your own employment application for US.)
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To: jetxnet

They refused to stop the Electoral College from voting today... that is all that they did and this was covered in another thread this morning.

LLS


39 posted on 12/15/2008 4:29:36 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! so sue me!)
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To: Joe Boucher
So if the mooselimbs take out d.c. should I be upset?

The only loss would be the historic artifacts, artwork, and statues.

40 posted on 12/15/2008 4:31:47 PM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: jetxnet
Wow this Obama guy is a freaking genius, what a web, state government's, the executive of the US, the SCOTUS. He must be brilliant
41 posted on 12/15/2008 4:36:08 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob

Maybe, but I doubt it.

Obama had lots of help, this should be obvious. The MSM, George Soros etc.

The election was bought with nearly 300 million in foreign illegal donations .. none of which will be audited.

Don’t be so impressionable.


42 posted on 12/15/2008 4:39:46 PM PST by jetxnet
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Which Presidential candidates have shown their birth certificates in previous elections? Who did they show them to? Who decided the birth certificates they supposedly showed weren't forgeries?

I'm not aware of any presidential candidate ever being asked to produce a birth certificate, and I'm certainly not aware of random anonymous internet "experts" then declaring said birth certificate a forgery.

I also remain unaware of any state that actually hands out original birth certificates, as opposed to official copies and the like, since doing so would ensure that the STATE no longer had record of your birth, but, hey, anonymous internet experts know everything.

43 posted on 12/15/2008 4:41:15 PM PST by kenboy
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Which Presidential candidates have shown their birth certificates in previous elections? Who did they show them to? Try the State Department.
44 posted on 12/15/2008 4:42:51 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: mcshot

You said — “I don’t see the eligibility requirement ever meaning anything anymore as the precedent is set.”

Well, actually, no precedent has been set, in regards to the requirement. It may seem a bit odd, but the fact that “nothing is known” about whether Obama meets the requirement (set forth in the Constitution) and that others say that he *has met* the requirements — mean — that nothing has changed in the Constitution.

You see..., it’s just that you *suspect* that he doesn’t meet the requirements. Nothing is really *known* about it — and that fact (that it’s not really *known*) provides the “out” that leaves the Constitution *intact*.

On the other hand — if it were *known* exactly and “for sure” that he did violate the Constitution, then you could say that, obviously, people and institutions would not enforce the requirement of the Constitution. That’s not been the case (i.e., that it is “known”). If it were known to be sure, beyond any suspicion, then you could question the viability of the Constitution. But, again, that’s not the case, here.

If a crook violates the law, in secret, and no one knows about it, that doesn’t mean that everyone around the crook approves of it. However, if it is plainly known that a crook violates the law (very plain and apparent) and they all approve — then everyone around the crook is complicit in the matter and is participating in the crook’s crime.

There may be a *limited number* of people who do know that Obama is committing a crime, but that’s not the general public and neither is it you or I. We simply don’t know and that’s the problem.

So, what we need to do is solve the problem of “not knowing” for anyone else that comes up in the future...

And then you said — “Perhaps the rest of the Constitution will soon nosedive like our once proud dollar.”

You’re over-reacting on the matter. The Constitution is still as viable today as it was before Obama was elected. It’s still up to us to ensure that it continues to be as viable as it’s been. All we need to do in this particular issue is to make sure some state laws are passed to vet a candidate before they can be put on the ballot. Pass those laws and everything will be just as normal as it was before (in regards to this particular issue).

As far as Obama is concerned..., just forget about the bum and concentrate on what we can do to make sure it doesn’t happen with another candidate...


45 posted on 12/15/2008 4:46:18 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: jetxnet
Which prior candidate showed a birth certificate to "the State Department?" I can't seem to find any news articles about John Kerry, Al Gore, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole, George H. W. Bush, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, Ronald Reagan, or Jimmy Carter arriving at "the State Department" to present their papers.

Do I need to look back beyond that for the last time it happened?

Did every single State Department employee witness the presentation of documents? Was it just the Secretary of State who received the formal papers from each candidate? Perhaps a deputy? Is it a civil servant who looks over and approves the form, or a political appointee? If the candidate disagrees with the State Department's assessment of the validity of his papers, is there an appeals process?

Did the candidates need to show their parents birth certificates as well, you know, to ensure they were natural born citizens? Or is that a new requirement?

Please, do tell me more about this procedure. I'm fascinated by this untold story of American politics.

46 posted on 12/15/2008 4:48:33 PM PST by kenboy
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To: jetxnet

Do you know someone who could answer this question?

Leo’s and Cort’s cases were listed as pending by SCOTUS when their “stays” were denied (12/8, 12/15). I see no listed denials of Writ of Certiorari or Mandamus for these pending cases. Does this mean the Writ of Certioran or Mandamus are included in their “stays” and since their stays were denied, their Writ of Certioran of Mandamus were also denied but just not listed as denied?


47 posted on 12/15/2008 4:49:04 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: kenboy

Every Candidate has that was questioned .. they have to if questionable. In fact, there was on on the ballot this year .. do not remember his name that was required to show proof of natural-born citizenship but turns out he was from Nicaragua.

He was removed from the ballot.

If there the Candidate’s citizenship is questionable, he will be asked to provide the Certificate of Birth as was in the case of John McCain. John McCain show proof of his citizenship right away and it wasn’t some forged COLB as was in the Obama case.

When requested, the documents are submitted to the Bureau of Consular Affairs at the Department of State (DOS).

Obama has failed to do so. He will only show an image of a supposedly existing certificate.

You’re grasping at straws .. bottom line, Obama has not shown any real proof. Other Candidates in question have.

A doctored up Photoshop image doesn’t count.


48 posted on 12/15/2008 4:59:39 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: seekthetruth

I’m not sure about this .. maybe Donofrio’s Blog would give more indication to this.

In any case, once the Electoral College votes Obama in, it’s a done deal.

Impeachment is highly unlikely.


49 posted on 12/15/2008 5:00:42 PM PST by jetxnet
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To: jetxnet

Yes, the EC did vote today. But their votes are secret even though it is expected they voted for Obama. Obama is not officially President-elect until the votes are counted by Congress and VP Cheney and the total certified. That will happen on January 8th. Then Obama would be President-elect until being sworn in at noon on January 20th.

We have a Chicago crime investigtion going on and there are more cases pending and headed to the SCOTUS. A lot can happen between now and January 20th! :)


50 posted on 12/15/2008 5:09:57 PM PST by seekthetruth
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