Second, I don't think the timeline makes a lot of sense -- his parents married in February, and he was born in August. I can't imagine a young pregnant woman deciding to travel to Kenya -- pretty much on the exact opposite side of the world from Hawaii -- especially in 1961. (And I don't think I've ever heard of evidence she DID travel to Kenya then, though I also haven't heard stories of people standing up to say "oh, I was her hospital roommate when she had Barack in Honolulu, look, you can see her in the corner of this old family photo." (Haven't been looking for such, either.)
Finally, there's the inconvenience of the birth certificate that lists his place of birth as Honolulu, along with the maybe corroborating evidence of the birth announcement. I realize it's a 2007 printout, so aside from the unlikeliness of it actually being a forgery, we'd also need to account for the fact that he would also have had to forge his birth certificate on PREVIOUS occasions, such as to get a US passport. Since this CURRENT forgery, produced while running for President, is apparently so clumsy that random anonymous experts on the internet can determine so, how is it that the state department fell for his previous, likely even clumsier forgeries?
I'm sorry, it's just all too much, and requires way too much belief in bad faith by everyone from his 18 year old mom to the city clerk in Honolulu. I don't buy it.
Yes--it is all too much. Reverend Wright........Associations with Ayers, Odinga, his illegal relatives in Boston.......giving out $$$$$ to groups that will then help him in your elections.......Michelle doubled salary with his senate election......... No college roommates remembering him at Columbia .....No records released of his grades.....no legislative records for review from Illinois.......no records from Occidental....no papers from the Harvard Law review.....No birth certificate.....actually fighting the release of his vault birth certificate. No family time with his dear Grandmother for his children before her death. Or any time with her as they were growing up...... No papers to show his numerous name changes. No records of how his education was sponsored. Unbelievably quick rise in politics without accomplishments. No review or vetting by the MSM. Election donations without requiring legitimate addresses....foreign aide.............
Yes it is all quite unbelievable. Our undocumented President Elect.
Again, it’s not about the birth certificate or the place of birth.
Way more issues here. The only question is have those issues been raised in a legally cognizable way to the SCOTUS.
He is not a Natural Born Citizen, the awareness of his mother or anyone else including him is irellevant. Yes, a baby born to mother and father of the US in another country is still a citizen of the US as the parents are subject, as US nationals, to the jurisdiction of the United States.
I am born 1963 and my mother traveled frequently including riding amusment rides she would not have been allowed to ride in today’s environment.
And part of the problem is the huge vacuum of this guy’s life story. You have very few people who remember anything about him. There is only one significant story and that is of his two roommates in college. They were foreign nationals and Obama was dormed with them. As the common practice is room college mates with similar backgrounds to provide continuity in their live and make it easier to socialize with those like you.
If you went to college you know that the process of housing dorm mates. This combined with Obama’s history prior to that and his travels to Pakistan and Indonesia give rise to belief that he registered for college loans as a foreign national. He either was or was not a forgien national or he still is. We need the BC and records of college, applications and passports.
As an aside it is very likely true that Pakistan and Idonesia were banned countries as in Telecom these countries were frequently blocked for calling as fraud and international issued related to them and twenty other countries were and issue. If you know about the CIA and their work at this time, think a contractor to them called Jartran.
There is nothing inconvenient about the Certification of Birth that has been displaye all over the Internet. The one we have seen that Barack Obama is his valid and genuine form of ID is most prominently displayed on Factcheck.
That one is not a Birth Certificate and the intellectual phonies continue claim it is.
In fact, a valid and genuine BC has much more information and you would not call a child’s race African in those or any other. African ancestory is derived by being from that continent and not all or not all indigenous peoples of the African Continent or region are Negro, Negroid or Black.
In the African Continent and region we find the people of Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Morocco,and even some island like Madagascar, they are not considered Black or Negro, as a whole.
It is possible to skate by in life with documentation that looks well enough and under different AKA’s with stuff that looks just close enough or as a foreign national, again.
I am not ready to buy the forgery argument and haven’t seen one promulgated. He has absolutely committed fraud at the minimum.
This would all be to much for me as well if my background weren’t so similar. I have a brother and a sister from my birth father and were adopted in another state, by mother’s second husband. Everyone who knows me know this story and it is all easily verified by the records in two states, counties and at the US Government. As you can imagine we had to reapply to all kinds of agencies dealing with our personage to obtain new documents.
Obama’s trail is even larger as his adoption took place between two countries and when he returned he had restablish his identity or establish a new one. In regards, to a new identity he changed his name from Barry Sotero to Barack Obama. You had to have gone through a long legal process to change your name and to ensure the state government of state in which you were born and the state you reside, that there are no encumbrances, warrants or debts associted with your current identity. They would then verify with US Government and then a whole process takes place there.
Once all your encumbrances are cleared and the government authorizes your new identity you have to apply for a new SS#, submit docs to IRS, Passport, Drivers License, Marriage, and on and on.
My parents had to go through alot of work in my adoption as there were three of us. But it was worth it to them.
There is a huge trail and no one has explore this.