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To: kenboy

He is not a Natural Born Citizen, the awareness of his mother or anyone else including him is irellevant. Yes, a baby born to mother and father of the US in another country is still a citizen of the US as the parents are subject, as US nationals, to the jurisdiction of the United States.

I am born 1963 and my mother traveled frequently including riding amusment rides she would not have been allowed to ride in today’s environment.

And part of the problem is the huge vacuum of this guy’s life story. You have very few people who remember anything about him. There is only one significant story and that is of his two roommates in college. They were foreign nationals and Obama was dormed with them. As the common practice is room college mates with similar backgrounds to provide continuity in their live and make it easier to socialize with those like you.

If you went to college you know that the process of housing dorm mates. This combined with Obama’s history prior to that and his travels to Pakistan and Indonesia give rise to belief that he registered for college loans as a foreign national. He either was or was not a forgien national or he still is. We need the BC and records of college, applications and passports.

As an aside it is very likely true that Pakistan and Idonesia were banned countries as in Telecom these countries were frequently blocked for calling as fraud and international issued related to them and twenty other countries were and issue. If you know about the CIA and their work at this time, think a contractor to them called Jartran.

There is nothing inconvenient about the Certification of Birth that has been displaye all over the Internet. The one we have seen that Barack Obama is his valid and genuine form of ID is most prominently displayed on Factcheck.

That one is not a Birth Certificate and the intellectual phonies continue claim it is.

In fact, a valid and genuine BC has much more information and you would not call a child’s race African in those or any other. African ancestory is derived by being from that continent and not all or not all indigenous peoples of the African Continent or region are Negro, Negroid or Black.

In the African Continent and region we find the people of Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Morocco,and even some island like Madagascar, they are not considered Black or Negro, as a whole.

It is possible to skate by in life with documentation that looks well enough and under different AKA’s with stuff that looks just close enough or as a foreign national, again.

I am not ready to buy the forgery argument and haven’t seen one promulgated. He has absolutely committed fraud at the minimum.

This would all be to much for me as well if my background weren’t so similar. I have a brother and a sister from my birth father and were adopted in another state, by mother’s second husband. Everyone who knows me know this story and it is all easily verified by the records in two states, counties and at the US Government. As you can imagine we had to reapply to all kinds of agencies dealing with our personage to obtain new documents.

Obama’s trail is even larger as his adoption took place between two countries and when he returned he had restablish his identity or establish a new one. In regards, to a new identity he changed his name from Barry Sotero to Barack Obama. You had to have gone through a long legal process to change your name and to ensure the state government of state in which you were born and the state you reside, that there are no encumbrances, warrants or debts associted with your current identity. They would then verify with US Government and then a whole process takes place there.

Once all your encumbrances are cleared and the government authorizes your new identity you have to apply for a new SS#, submit docs to IRS, Passport, Drivers License, Marriage, and on and on.

My parents had to go through alot of work in my adoption as there were three of us. But it was worth it to them.

There is a huge trail and no one has explore this.


193 posted on 12/06/2008 11:27:30 AM PST by Vendome
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To: Vendome
Thanks for the information you shared. I have been hoping somebody with like experience would post. I hope others actually read what you have said/written.

I, too, have 2 adopted children with similar to your & "whatever his name is" backgrounds. At this point, those two children are the only people that could touch their BC's... because they are living adults. However, their are original copies of their adoption BC's... and I happen to have original copies of the original BC's. I also have the hospital paper with their foot prints and my thumb prints, as well as our hospital bracelets. There are all sorts of photo's of them with relatives, family, friends, etc, from birth to present documenting the milestones of their life's. There are photo's of me pregnant with each of them... very "dated" photo's that identify a specific "era."

BO is no longer a "mystery" man or even just creepy. He is becoming downright scary.

195 posted on 12/06/2008 8:46:35 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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