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To: exhaustedmomma

There you go. Then you know the amount of information there should be to support a claim of personage especially in the case of adoption. It is actually recorded everywhere.

I had been thinking about where these records are but had to leave the house for a while.

I know there are other parents like mine out there who could empathize with this and children of similar backgrounds.

Being adopted in the same jurisdiction creates enough records but, being adopted in two and between nations? Well, the records are vast and the numbers compounded by Obama’s reentry into the USA, his name change back to Barrack Obama(from Barry Sotero). He had to perform this at an age of emancipation. That age could be 16 with consent of one parent or simply having reached the age of 18.

If he changed his name would there would be a record of all entities that an interest with one’s personage at the state and federal level.

I wonder, and I will have to think it over, would he have also notified Indonesia, the place of his adoption? It seems likely, as the federal governemnt would have to place reciprical document with the original foreign registry of his second identity at adoption. If only to notify them” Barry Sotero no longer exists and has been replaced with Barrack Obama. Please update your records accordingly. Thank you, Uncle Sam”.

There have been alot of adoption over the years. How hard could it be to find like minded(read experienced/ed) people?

I am not unique just vocal. What gives?

It should be easy for someone who is honest enough to be dishonest and expose that information.


196 posted on 12/06/2008 9:22:09 PM PST by Vendome
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To: Vendome
Our situation only dealt with one country, the USA. It did cover 3 states; state of each child's birth, residency of children and natural and adoptive parents. There is paper work out the wa-zoo. Not to mention a lifetime of memorabilia.

The only people that can open the birth certificate of an adopted child-adult... is that adult child. To the best of my knowledge. I don't know what gives. Cat and mouse.

197 posted on 12/06/2008 11:19:37 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: Vendome

It’s all well and good to disagree with Obama’s policies. I have no problem with that and would rather not see many of them enacted myself. But I have one question that I have yet to see answered—Why do people believe that the state of Hawaii issues documents falsely identifying the place of birth?

I have a friend who was adopted from Korea. Her parents obtained a Hawaiian birth certificate at the time. She recently requested a copy of that record. The State of Hawaii sent her a short form version identical to the one Obama has posted. It says her place of birth was Korea.

I have an adopted son. We obtained a California birth certificate for his future convenience. I recently had to get copies of all my children’s birth certificates. The biological children’s certificates (also computer printouts dated 2008 that are perfectly legal) identify the US city and state where they were born. My adopted son’s California birth certificate states the foreign city and country where he was born.

States don’t issue documents with information they know is false. The only reason Obama’s COLB says he was born in Honolulu is that the original information transcribed into the state database says the same thing. That’s why the language from Hawaiian officials that some keep disputing clearly substantiates his birth record to the overwhelming majority of the American public, including conservatives. That’s why the Supreme Court has already dismissed this in conference. Even if they were to get past the standing argument, there is a state of Hawaii document saying he was born in Honolulu, and the state of Hawaii isn’t disputing it.

And no one is going to disqualify an elected President by trying to redefine the common sense term “natural born citizen” relative to paternal legacy. I’d like to see McCain as President, too, but this stuff just discredits conservatism. And honestly, there is no offense intended in my remarks.


198 posted on 12/07/2008 4:24:53 AM PST by oldengineer
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