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To: Vendome

It’s all well and good to disagree with Obama’s policies. I have no problem with that and would rather not see many of them enacted myself. But I have one question that I have yet to see answered—Why do people believe that the state of Hawaii issues documents falsely identifying the place of birth?

I have a friend who was adopted from Korea. Her parents obtained a Hawaiian birth certificate at the time. She recently requested a copy of that record. The State of Hawaii sent her a short form version identical to the one Obama has posted. It says her place of birth was Korea.

I have an adopted son. We obtained a California birth certificate for his future convenience. I recently had to get copies of all my children’s birth certificates. The biological children’s certificates (also computer printouts dated 2008 that are perfectly legal) identify the US city and state where they were born. My adopted son’s California birth certificate states the foreign city and country where he was born.

States don’t issue documents with information they know is false. The only reason Obama’s COLB says he was born in Honolulu is that the original information transcribed into the state database says the same thing. That’s why the language from Hawaiian officials that some keep disputing clearly substantiates his birth record to the overwhelming majority of the American public, including conservatives. That’s why the Supreme Court has already dismissed this in conference. Even if they were to get past the standing argument, there is a state of Hawaii document saying he was born in Honolulu, and the state of Hawaii isn’t disputing it.

And no one is going to disqualify an elected President by trying to redefine the common sense term “natural born citizen” relative to paternal legacy. I’d like to see McCain as President, too, but this stuff just discredits conservatism. And honestly, there is no offense intended in my remarks.


198 posted on 12/07/2008 4:24:53 AM PST by oldengineer
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To: oldengineer

I do not want to McCain as President.

The issue is Obama’s past history, who is he and what does he represent?

The BC copy presented on Factcheck is just plain suspicious for reasons you have probably read. That is why we are demanding the original long form. From there we want to know his citizenship status at various times in his, what was his qualification for a student loan, etc.

Additionally, we want to know when he changed his name back to Barack Obama. Presumably he did this as an adult and there should be plenty of records to confirm his current identity which HE CREATED. No one else created his identity. His mother did not change his last name, of his birth father, and his first name with out some due consideration. She most certainly did not change his name at a later date as she had, in her mind and heart, a very good reason to change the names. Women do not take this sort of thing lightly.

I understand your reasoning but that is not the issue. The issue is the document we have a known example of is highly suspect and would cost less than $20 to obtain the form that would put all this to rest.

It is really irresponsible of Obama to put the country through this over a simple document. If he is sincere in wanting to be the president of all the people under the legitemacy of the Constition then he should do so now.

If indeed there is a valid reason for his behaviour and he does release the documents that leave no doubt to his eligibility, fine. Then we all go back to friction of a Democratic Republic and argue our ideas and passions.

Until then we cannot even get there.


200 posted on 12/07/2008 3:52:42 PM PST by Vendome
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