Posted on 12/03/2008 11:43:31 PM PST by BP2
Post #58 brought tears to my eyes. Thanks.
My scenario.
Obama gets himself elected (done) then we find that he’s ineligible to hold office. The clowns in DC don’t want to rock the boat and manage to let the issue slide.
In a few years a known foreign born presidential wannabe shows up at the supreme court demanding his/her “right” to run and cites the illegitimate Obama presidency as precedent with no harm done. By then the court will have shifted to the left and they will rule that the constitution is outdated or some similar crap. It will be someone from a “harmless” nation like Canada that people can more easily accept.
We end up with Jenny Granholm running in the 2016 election. You might notice that she sure seems to be in the process of being groomed for the job.
by 2020 we have a presidential free for all with every Achmed, Hans, and Vladimir running for president of the USA. By that time we’ll probably be allowing citizens in some other nations vote in our elections anyway.
For me - a definition of natural born would be a good thing, but yes, the birth certificate verification should be required of any candidate for POTUS. I’m bothered by the lack of a process for this verification that protects the interests of the people and the rule of law - our Constitution.
That's the kind of mantra that lefties are prone to use to obfuscate the Constitutional issue in the Obama matter.
We do have different classes of citizens only in so far as it relates to qualifications for the presidency (or vice presidency). To be president, you need not only be a citizen, but a "natural born citizen."
However, there is debate within the legal community and within the public in general as to what exactly "natural born citizen" means. Most would consider your children under the circumstances you described as "natural born citizens," constitutionally eligible to be president once they meet the other requirements. But while Philip Berg and some of the other plaintiffs in these suits would probably agree with that, Leo Donofrio might not.
Please note that our Framers had just liberated themselves from British Common Law. Why on Earth would they go ahead and adopt Common Law rule here?
If you are interested in why we don’t follow common law please take a few minutes to read this:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Scroll down to: LEO DONOFRIO COMMENTS ON JUDAH BENJAMIN ARTICLE CONCERNING NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AND THE COMMON LAW
It’s a simple explanation.
I and Hussein are NOT "natural" born, which requires that the two (2) parents, (father and mother) both are U.S. citizen. Hussein's father was a British subject in 1961!
Hussein's mother was not old enough (18,) she needed to be 19 to give him citizenship, nevertheless Obama Sr's British citizenship is the crux that Hussein cannot overcome according to the Constitution!!
Therefore we are both only "naturalized" and not enough to qualify!!!
As you know, Obama has never shown any bona fide documentation that he was born on US soil.
This really does leave him open to blackmail. I have read suppositions that Hillary has the goods on him and this is why she is in, along with all her old buddies.
Interesting times.
I trust that you merely made that flagrantly false statement sarcastically to support your argument.
The problem is that people elected to office are NOT subject to such screening...
Yep.
Listen friend. If you honestly want to know the answer to your questions as badly as you're pretending, then you'd find the answers yourself, or consult someone other than an ordinary citizen expressing his personal views on a website.
I admitted to you three posts back that I may have spoken in error, but you continue to try to back me into a corner over this legal question.
You know I'm not a legal scholar, and it's quite possible that you aren't either, so what's your real intention here?
I have my opinion, however it was formed. I'm not a walking encyclopedia of legal facts, and don't have every reference I've read to hand, nor have I committed their locations to memory. I've read what I've read, and am speaking as frankly and truthfully as I can, with what I've digested.
If I were a betting man, I wouldn't take the bet either way at this point, but I would be rubbing my lucky rabbit's foot and praying that they do the right thing.
Ping to #490.
Some here have said that the US determines citizenship for its inhabitants irrespective of the citizenship determinations of other countries. In other words, if you qualify under US law as being a US citizen, it doesn't affect your legal citizenship in this country if some other government grants you citizenship as well.
It's tough, I know. We're all getting an education here, including me.
I'm impressed! Most Italians I know can't type or speak until they're several years old. Besides candidates also have to be over 35 years old. ;^)
Good on Justice Thomas. I know some people don’t like him because he doesn’t look like all the other Justices...
Good one,how appropriate!
Here’s a scenario for those of you who are afraid to “rock the boat”
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Wow!! Scary thought. Very sobering but also very realistic. We are hated by many.
Have you seen the comments posted here from Justice Scalia, regarding the common law vs constitutional law?
He is quoted as saying that “the common law is dead”, and that our country has not followed the common law for a very long time, and in fact, has hardly ever done so (paraphrasing).
He made these comments very recently, so they are timely, considering the issue that’s coming before them.
From a citizen’s point of view, I think it would be tragic, and even dangerous for the high court to not do their very utmost to settle this obviously confusing question. Quite a lot is riding on it, and I’m certain that they are keenly aware of the grave implications involved here.
I hope for an outcome that best serves our national security and our posterity.
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